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Old 05-27-2011, 05:44 PM   #21
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Old 05-27-2011, 05:47 PM   #22
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I have lots of similar examples with my parents, elderly relatives and friends over the past few years.

Problem is you have to put up with the long dark winters and cool wet summers.
My emergency backup plan for medical is to return to the UK.
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............Reality is, it would be deemed "political" and the thread would be closed. Happens every time.
I'm actually surprised that the one note pianos have not showed up yet.
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My emergency backup plan for medical is to return to the UK.
Me too. Since I was born there and lived there for years as a child, I hope they'd welcome me back.

Plus I love that little island.
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I am surprised this thread has not turned political yet.
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Here is a link to a Hawaii Threads posting with links to a couple of comments on a certain party's take on single payer health care. I suppose you all will have seen the Jon Stewart bit, since it's from several months ago, but in case not, well, it's hilarious. HI's universal healthcare - HawaiiThreads.com
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Me too. Since I was born there and lived there for years as a child, I hope they'd welcome me back.

Plus I love that little island.
That is our backup plan also. This long vacation has confirmed to us that we could easily live with poor weather if we needed to.

Purron, if you were born here before 1/1/1983 then you'll have no problems moving back if you wish to. After that date the law was changed so that being born here didn't automatically mean citizenship. Everytime we renew our UK passport we skip loads of questions because we were born before the law changed.
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Hmm I have hard some Canadian friends that can't stand their healthcare system. They said they have to wait months to see a specialist. Also, isn't the UK healthcare system lacking funds right now. I think the whole world is lacking funds for everything right now. Don't guess any of us have come up with the perfect health plan but if anyone has one please reply so my husband can retire and not just work for our health benefits.
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Health insurance is the biggest wolf at my door. I have long advocated for a single payer system for universal health care. Insurance premiums are the biggest expense and financial worry that we have.

I envision a true healing system as one being in the business of health; what we have here is "health care" as a business.
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We live in Canada and we are very satisfied with our universal health care. Yes, there are challenges, but on balance the system is sound. Poll after poll has told our politians that we will not accept a user pay system. Not long ago a national television network did a poll as to who was the most famous Canadian. Many well known people were put forward. In the end, it was narrowed down to the one man responsible to introducing health care to Canada. Universal health care impacts many other areas. Some time ago I read a study about international prescription drug costs. People in countries with some form of universal health care pay considerably less for the same prescription drugs than those who do not. At the time of the study, Canada was 30 percent less than the US, UK and France were about 50 percent less.
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People in countries with some form of universal health care pay considerably less for the same prescription drugs than those who do not. At the time of the study, Canada was 30 percent less than the US, UK and France were about 50 percent less.
Yeah, but our Doctors and pharma and health insurance executives get to drive 911s.


Even our pharmacists drive BMWs.

Not long ago I saw an optometrist I had consulted at Costco driving on I-5. She was in a new Beemer 7 series, and looked very smart indeed.

Now, wouldn't I be ashamed if my optometrist had to tool around in an Accord?

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Now, wouldn't I be ashamed if my optometrist had to tool around in an Accord?
There's nothing wrong with an Accord. Especially the 1995 edition which I am about to drive across Canada.

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There's nothing wrong with an Accord. Especially the 1995 edition which I am about to drive across Canada.

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That is fully acceptable for a socialist doctor, so you are OK.

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People in countries with some form of universal health care pay considerably less for the same prescription drugs than those who do not. At the time of the study, Canada was 30 percent less than the US, UK and France were about 50 percent less.
And do a considerably better job holding down health care inflation over all . . .

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Oh sure but they are dying like flies. Last count only 34 million left.

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And do a considerably better job holding down health care inflation over all . . .

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I think that one of the main differences is that most people in Canada do not refer to it as 'socialized' medical care. And I think the same would be true of people in Europe, Australia, and N.Z.

Instead we view it like we do police and fire protection, clean water, etc and other necessary goverment services, ie a basic necessity to our well being that is provided by the government through our taxation system.
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While traveling in England my daughter got sick, used the emergency room. The hospital was filthy, guards at the door to keep the zombies out. It was a horrible experience, socialized medicine isn't for me. I have met a number of Canadians that are not so fond of socialized medicine either. Don't think it's free someone is paying the bills and that money comes from you know who.
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... Don't think it's free someone is paying the bills and that money comes from you know who.
This is true now. Someone walks into an emergency room, gets life saving treatment, but has no insurance and can't pay. Guess who pays?
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And yet even Canada's trend line, while not as alarming, is still unsustainably "up".
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And yet even Canada's trend line, while not as alarming, is still unsustainably "up".
I'm not sure how unsustainable that trend line is. It's basically held flat at 10% of GDP since 1992, with some ups and downs. Even if we assume a continuation of the longer-term trend you're looking at a doubling over the next six decades - at which time all of the boomers, and most of their children, will have passed on.

That seems affordable to me.
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