Statin research - Page 3

newguy88 · 01-24-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lazygood4nothinbum

i fail to understand why anyone would introduce into their bodies a chemical to supposedly correct a problem fixed simply by diet.

it is like eating antacids just so you can eat a hot pepper which burns your mouth and stomach.

when the choice is giving up chopped liver or take statins and risk your own liver instead and you choose to continue eating animal fat, you really ought to question, before you pop that pill, just how concerned you are with your own health.

Because those pharmacutical company doctors say you should!

FinanceDude · 01-24-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lazygood4nothinbum

i fail to understand why anyone would introduce into their bodies a chemical to supposedly correct a problem fixed simply by diet.

Because not ALL things can be fixed by diet, there are things like genetic predisposition and family history to contend with.

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when the choice is giving up chopped liver or take statins and risk your own liver instead and you choose to continue eating animal fat, you really ought to question, before you pop that pill, just how concerned you are with your own health.

Can't argue with that. I know a couple folks that made huge lifestyle changes and dropped off the statins because they got so healthy...........

**CuppaJoe** · 01-24-2008, 10:32 AM

Interesting the way the public statin debates have changed. If I remember correctly, five years ago there were a lot of news fluff pieces about the under-prescribed miracle drug which was horribly expensive.

lazygood4nothinbum · 01-24-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FinanceDude

Because not ALL things can be fixed by diet, there are things like genetic predisposition and family history to contend with.

certainly not all things. if you eat all your fruits & vegies but get cancer, by all means, have it fixed.

but how do you know that your body isn't supposed to have that level if that is the level you produce naturally. have studies been done on people who are simply genetically predisposed to higher levels but who do not intake animal fat? studies done on them when they eat healthy yet you continue to artificially lower their levels?

i just think this world is too quick to pop a pill.

newguy88 · 01-25-2008, 04:43 AM

There is very little heart disease in the japanese culture until it became a westernized society. In fact the low levels of cholesterol that they had showed a high risk of stroke of all things.

No the american diet is the reason for build up of plaque in our coronary arteries. Heck the reason so many MEN need VIAGRA has nothing to do with erectile disfunction but yes PLAQUE in the arteries of the you know what!!

Eat better, exercise more and live with much less STRESS!

FinanceDude · 01-25-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by newguy888

There is very little heart disease in the japanese culture until it became a westernized society. In fact the low levels of cholesterol that they had showed a high risk of stroke of all things.

No the american diet is the reason for build up of plaque in our coronary arteries. Heck the reason so many MEN need VIAGRA has nothing to do with erectile disfunction but yes PLAQUE in the arteries of the you know what!!

Eat better, exercise more and live with much less STRESS!

I heard Cialis is better.............

Nords · 01-25-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FinanceDude

I heard Cialis is better.............

Mike Ditka thrusting "footballs" through "tires" or Bob Dole pontificatng from inside a three-piece suit. Then there's rumors of the litigation over the "Cialis Inside" stickers. Hmmm... tough choice...

Next question:
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Rich, do we really want to know how medical science determined that there's plaque in those blood vessels?

FinanceDude · 01-25-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nords

Mike Ditka thrusting "footballs" through "tires" or Bob Dole pontificatng from inside a three-piece suit. Then there's rumors of the litigation over the "Cialis Inside" stickers. Hmmm... tough choice...

Next question:
[Numerous drafts, edits, and other ~~premature~~ false starts deleted here]
Rich, do we really want to know how medical science determined that there's plaque in those blood vessels?

Maybe they talked to Lorena Bobbit.........

**Rich_in_Tampa** · 01-25-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nords

Rich, do we really want to know how medical science determined that there's plaque in those blood vessels?

That wasn't science -- it was Newguy888. Ask him.

newguy88 · 01-25-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich_in_Tampa

That wasn't science -- it was Newguy888. Ask him.

Read this..

Erectile Dysfunction Causes - urologychannel

Vascular Disease
Arteriosclerosis, the hardening and narrowing of the arteries, causes a reduction in blood flow throughout the body and can lead to impotence. It is associated with age and accounts for 50% to 60% of impotence in men over 60.
Risk factors for arteriosclerosis include:

**Rich_in_Tampa** · 01-25-2008, 08:12 PM

Read this:

Depends on the age. As one ages, the psychologic causes such as depression and performance anxiety decrease from > 90% down to a low of about 30%, while issues such as medications, diabetes, alcoholism, hormone problems, and a host of other conditions prevail. The cultural bias against acknowledging psychological factors, esp. among men, makes assessment of that component very difficult.

Such condiitons are very common in the aging, and their mere presence does not necessarily imply that they are the cause of impotence. In fact, the very high response rate to Viagra et al implies that the large vascular plumbing ["plaques"] is basically intact (a large arterial obstruction causing impotence would not reverse with viagra type drugs, yet 70% respond to viagra). Furthermore, a single episode of impotence related to fatigue, drugs, alcohol, or simply fatigue often sets off a pattern of performance anxiety. It is very difficult to determine "THE cause" of impotence in many cases.

It is true that vascular and other physical causes are not rare, especially in men over 60, smokers, heavy drinkers, those taking certain medications, etc.

newguy88 · 01-26-2008, 06:01 AM

Furthermore, a single episode of impotence related to fatigue, drugs, alcohol, or simply fatigue often sets off a pattern of performance anxiety. It is very difficult to determine "THE cause" of impotence in many cases. Yea sure, too much booze, the babe says I wantcha and well he just is not up to the task. Tisk Tisk. Don't drink so much!

No self confidence??

Or no real connection with other human during the effort??

But seriously, a build up of plaque in the arteries is a problem that many who use the drug or see that there is a problem does stem from coronary artery disease.

lazygood4nothinbum · 01-26-2008, 12:48 PM

i've already seen the commercials hyping impotence to scare viewers into taking a cholesterol pill.

oh good. another reason for statins: flaccidity

oh & by the way, i never met a gay man with performance anxiety. you poor str8 guys. it must be even worse than i thought. (sorry ladies, no offense intended.)

edit: i'm not sure but i think in the gay world performance anxiety maybe has something to do with singing in the choir.

FinanceDude · 01-26-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lazygood4nothinbum

oh & by the way, i never met a gay man with performance anxiety. you poor str8 guys. it must be even worse than i thought. (sorry ladies, no offense intended.)

I don't suffer from it, I'm always ANXIOUS to have sex...........

newguy88 · 01-26-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lazygood4nothinbum

i've already seen the commercials hyping impotence to scare viewers into taking a cholesterol pill.

oh good. another reason for statins: flaccidity

oh & by the way, i never met a gay man with performance anxiety. you poor str8 guys. it must be even worse than i thought. (sorry ladies, no offense intended.)

edit: i'm not sure but i think in the gay world performance anxiety maybe has something to do with singing in the choir.

Classic my friend classic

HFWR · 01-27-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FinanceDude

I don't suffer from it, I'm always ANXIOUS to have sex...........

I believe the correct term is "eager"...

lazygood4nothinbum · 01-27-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FinanceDude

I don't suffer from it, I'm always ANXIOUS to have sex...........

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Originally Posted by HFWR

I believe the correct term is "eager"...

oh grow up and quit being so premature.

HFWR · 01-27-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lazygood4nothinbum

oh grow up and quit being so premature.

"There's about to be an orgasm, and if you want it to be yours', you'd better hurry up..."

Buckeye · 01-27-2008, 07:03 PM

If I read the article correctly (no discernable benefit for those

01-24-2008, 10:32 AM	#43
CuppaJoe Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where "the Water is Fine" Posts: 1,571	Interesting the way the public statin debates have changed. If I remember correctly, five years ago there were a lot of news fluff pieces about the under-prescribed miracle drug which was horribly expensive. __________________ What is your greatest extravagance? a frugality that seems to confuse people who work with me. (from a 12/07 Vanity Fair interview with Jasper Johns)

01-25-2008, 08:12 PM	#51
Rich_in_Tampa Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,600	Read this: Depends on the age. As one ages, the psychologic causes such as depression and performance anxiety decrease from > 90% down to a low of about 30%, while issues such as medications, diabetes, alcoholism, hormone problems, and a host of other conditions prevail. The cultural bias against acknowledging psychological factors, esp. among men, makes assessment of that component very difficult. Such condiitons are very common in the aging, and their mere presence does not necessarily imply that they are the cause of impotence. In fact, the very high response rate to Viagra et al implies that the large vascular plumbing ["plaques"] is basically intact (a large arterial obstruction causing impotence would not reverse with viagra type drugs, yet 70% respond to viagra). Furthermore, a single episode of impotence related to fatigue, drugs, alcohol, or simply fatigue often sets off a pattern of performance anxiety. It is very difficult to determine "THE cause" of impotence in many cases. It is true that vascular and other physical causes are not rare, especially in men over 60, smokers, heavy drinkers, those taking certain medications, etc. __________________ Rich Tampa, FL (10% retired) As if you didn't know..If the above message happens to contain medical content, it's NOT intended as advice, and may not be accurate, applicable or sufficient. Don't rely on it for any medical purpose whatsoever. Consult your own doctor for all medical advice.

01-26-2008, 06:01 AM	#52
newguy88 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,119	Furthermore, a single episode of impotence related to fatigue, drugs, alcohol, or simply fatigue often sets off a pattern of performance anxiety. It is very difficult to determine "THE cause" of impotence in many cases. Yea sure, too much booze, the babe says I wantcha and well he just is not up to the task. Tisk Tisk. Don't drink so much! No self confidence?? Or no real connection with other human during the effort?? But seriously, a build up of plaque in the arteries is a problem that many who use the drug or see that there is a problem does stem from coronary artery disease. Last edited by newguy88; 01-26-2008 at 06:21 AM.

01-26-2008, 12:48 PM	#53
lazygood4nothinbum Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,586	i've already seen the commercials hyping impotence to scare viewers into taking a cholesterol pill. oh good. another reason for statins: flaccidity oh & by the way, i never met a gay man with performance anxiety. you poor str8 guys. it must be even worse than i thought. (sorry ladies, no offense intended.) edit: i'm not sure but i think in the gay world performance anxiety maybe has something to do with singing in the choir. __________________ "life should begin with age and its privileges and accumulations, and end with youth and its capacity to splendidly enjoy such advantages."~~mark twain - letter to edward kimmitt 1901 Last edited by lazygood4nothinbum; 01-26-2008 at 01:08 PM.

01-25-2008, 04:43 AM	#45
newguy88 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,119	There is very little heart disease in the japanese culture until it became a westernized society. In fact the low levels of cholesterol that they had showed a high risk of stroke of all things. No the american diet is the reason for build up of plaque in our coronary arteries. Heck the reason so many MEN need VIAGRA has nothing to do with erectile disfunction but yes PLAQUE in the arteries of the you know what!! Eat better, exercise more and live with much less STRESS!

01-27-2008, 07:03 PM	#59
Buckeye Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 459	If I read the article correctly (no discernable benefit for those