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Old 05-24-2014, 07:33 PM   #141
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While mouse based studies are interesting and we share many physiological systems with mice, the human diet is fairly different from that of mice. So a study that says mice eating non-sugar sweetener crave sugar is interesting and should drive further human studies, but certainly doesn't prove anything about humans.
Oh, totally agree. But it is interesting, and it does kind of make sense. Certainly we all get hungry when we smell good food cooking, yet there are no calories in the scent of food. But the smell triggers us to want the real food. So I guess I could see how getting a 'hint' of something sweet in a diet soda might just trigger our desire for the actual sweet thing (real sugar).

Or maybe not - who knows? I don't know if they've managed to do this study with humans.


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On the other hand, my N=1 study of myself shows that Diet Coke often makes me hungry while water doesn't. So maybe we are mouse like in this regard ;-)
My main liquids are coffee, water, beer, wine - just about in that order too! Drink very few sweet drinks, and almost never drink 'diet' anything. But I'm betting the mouse study actually holds for humans.

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I drink around 1 can of diet Coke or diet Pepsi a day at lunch time. Haven't noticed any ill effects. Sometimes I'll do water or V8 instead.

I have not seen any info that says this consumption is bad for me. Anyone have a good link to the contrary?
As I noted, there are at least as many "studies" and articles to the contrary, but there have been several credible studies suggesting diet soda may not be as straightforward as no/low calories/sugar. Metabolism altered, fullness mechanism (leptin) fooled, etc. Here's just a summary article 7 side effects of drinking diet soda - Health - MSN Healthy Living that might lead to other searches if you're so inclined.
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The first video spends quite a bit of time on the liver and sugar, the second lecture four years later covers leptin, insulin, and world wide data.

Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology 2009 lecture:
Sugar: The Bitter Truth - UCTV - University of California Television



Dr. Robert Lustig, UCSF Division of Pediatric Endocrinology, updates his very popular video "Sugar: The Bitter Truth."
He argues that sugar and processed foods are driving the obesity epidemic, which in turn affects our endocrine system.
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Thanks, that seems like the standard method from my googling. I just checked, our Costco almonds that I assumed were roasted are 'raw' (pasteurized by law since they are US grown, but the labels don't mention that, or I missed it).

I'll try this, as soon as we use up or throw out our remaining quart of dairy milk. Since I'd be likely to use it in cereal, I don't think I'll bother to strain it, I normally throw in a few almonds anyway. DW bought one of those bullet mixers to make smoothies, so that should work well to blend this. Sounds real EZ. And if it freezes well,that would be nice to make a couple weeks worth in one batch, and freeze some. I guess it only keeps ~ 4-5 days, unless you pasteurize/boil it.

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I think of it like this:

There is a small chance that drinking water would be better for me than drinking diet soda (note that I dilute diet sodas by 50% and they are plenty sweet). But I am not willing to give up sweetness in my life.

If I weighed 280 pounds, I would view it differently.

I just had a half-full container of Orange Mango Sparkling Ice with heavy whipping cream in it (the classic 40% minimum milkfat type), and boy, was it good.

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I think of it like this:

There is a small chance that drinking water would be better for me than drinking diet soda (note that I dilute diet sodas by 50% and they are plenty sweet). But I am not willing to give up sweetness in my life.

If I weighed 280 pounds, I would view it differently.

I just had a half-full container of Orange Mango Sparkling Ice with heavy whipping cream in it (the classic 40% minimum milkfat type), and boy, was it good.

What a horrible thread. Now I have all these new things I just HAVE TO TRY! Orange Mango with whipped cream - wow - that sounds like one of those orange cream Good Humor bars. Irresistible. And hot chocolate with almond milk? Gotta make some. But I am with you Al, I will sweeten it with Splenda. I know I don't have to worry about the Splenda making me crave sugar -- it doesn't, just more Splenda. I guess I may be destroying my liver or something but what me worry - I read Mad.
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My main liquids are coffee, water, beer, wine - just about in that order too! Drink very few sweet drinks, and almost never drink 'diet' anything. But I'm betting the mouse study actually holds for humans.

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I use the boxed kind occasionally. It makes superb hot chocolate.
That does sound good. Chocolate and almonds go well together.

Though we finally have warm weather here, so hot chocolate probably won't be on our menu anytime soon. And while it does sound good, from a sugar standpoint, probably not a lot of difference. Normally, you need to add some sugar to hot chocolate, so with almond milk having less sugar than cow's milk, I assume I'd end up close to the same total amount of sugar.

Regardless, it does sound good.

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As for yogurt, it's almost impossible to find flavored yogurt in "full fat"; plain yogurt is still readily available. Funny how they remove the fat, drastically raise the sugar levels, and add some mystery chemicals to give it mouth feel, then promote is as "healthier"...
Yeah, I told DH not to buy any yogurt if the ingredient list contained more than milk and yogurt cultures. Period.

Very interesting thread. I lost 17 lbs. and 2 inches off my waist over a 2-year period by kicking up my workouts a bit and cutting back on junk. I still drink the occasional Diet Coke but am starting to lean towards water with a splash of lemon. I'm 61 and in better shape than I was 5 years ago. I'm very picky about what I eat that's high-calorie and high fat. If I'm not going to relish every bite, it's easy for me to pass up. All those packaged cakes and cookies in the grocery store? Keep 'em. Pretzel bits stuffed with pizza-flavored "pasteurized processed cheese food"? Eeuw. A piece of sheet cake from a good bakery? Yes, and give me a corner piece with extra frosting, please! (Fortunately I encounter these only every few months, and back away from the table after one piece.)

And does anyone else have FaceBook "friends" who post recipes that are a heart attack on a plate with horrible processed ingredients? My favorite so far was Peanut Butter pie, made with cream cheese, whipping cream, a graham cracker crust (with butter and more sugar) and a covering of a layer of chocolate ganache made with more whipping cream and melted chocolate chips. One-sixth of the pie had 1,400 calories and 87 grams of fat. I looked it up but refrained from posting that info.
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Brown Cow yogurt comes in many flavors and is made from unhomogenized whole milk. I know it's a California brand, but I first started eating it when I lived in Atlanta and I've purchased it in Chicago. I've never had any flavor other than maple or plain, because I don't like fruit yogurt (I like plain yogurt with actual fruit that has been cut up with my own two hands), but there are at least a dozen flavors that I have not tried sitting on the shelf. The little disc of maple cream sitting on the top is the best part. I buy it as an occasional dessert treat, but certainly not a routine meal. They were on sale yesterday at Sprouts.
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Well, here's the right kind of experiment, which assigns people randomly to drink either diet soda or water.

It's sponsored by by drinks industry however:

Diet soda helps weight loss, industry-funded study finds - CNN.com

Note that it was whipping cream in that drink, not whipped cream.

Brown cow Greek yogurt, full-fat, cream-top plain with either a sprinkling of Crystal Light powder or this is very good. The label of the yogurts lists lots of carbs, but the theory is that the organisms eat much of that. Also, much of the sugar resides in the whey, which you can pour off.
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(I like plain yogurt with actual fruit that has been cut up with my own two hands).
AllDone, you are obviously another one of the dangerous radicals that inhabit this forum.
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We drink quite a bit of unsweetened sparkling water. Still no more than 1 can a day. These have a tiny bit of fruit flavor added - orange, lemon, lime, red grapefruit. HEB has a nice line. Perrier has lime and grapefruit flavors in tiny cans.

0 calories, no sweetener, just carbonation with a hint of flavor.
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To be blunt, this forum isn't the target market for heavy soda consumption. Go into a McDonalds and look around...

I do enjoy the Mexico coke when I can get one about once every few months. They put actual sugar in cola in other countries. The USA only gets that corn syrup garbage and that tastes too oily for me. It shows just how much like cattle corporations think we are. The independent colas have some tasty stuff too. We scored a free 4 pack of Jones soda from a gas station a few days ago because it was missing a bottle.
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Once you start looking, sugar (in its many forms) is in just about everything! Just google all of the names for sugar and take that list when you go to the grocery store. Whew! Current research is now implicating sugar, and not healthy saturated fats (I'm talking butter, olive oil, coconut oil, NOT vegetable oil, canola oil, corn oil, margarine...) in excess weight, high blood pressure, diabetes (of course), etc.
Okay, I'm obviously pumped up about it because I saw the documentary movie, Fed Up, a couple of weeks ago.

Water is cheap. Eating unprocessed foods is probably the best health insurance.
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