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Old 09-14-2014, 07:22 PM   #41
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I guess you mean autistic. .......
Vaccines causing autism? That's ridiculous.
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Travelover, you are hilarious.
MPaquette, that is a really great idea, of moving the kids to a school by themselves whose parents goose not to immunize, thus protecting the ones who do.
Fwiw I don't get the flu shot...yet. But I will when I'm older. I have had vaccinations for Hep A and B, typhoid, and yellow fever, though!
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So far I've only had one flu shot in my life and coincidentally ended up with the other strain that year. I've had the pneumonia vaccine though and it has worked phenomenally well completely stopped my yearly bouts of pneumonia every summer.


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........ I have had vaccinations for Hep A and B, typhoid, and yellow fever, though!
Don't forget the shingles vaccine. I believe that it is more effective for younger people.
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Don't forget the shingles vaccine. I believe that it is more effective for younger people.
Good advice, you never know what you'll bring home from a shingles bar.

My hang-up with the flu shot is the need for annual renewal. If I had high exposure to the public, I would more inclined to get the vaccine. Without the shot I get the flu on about a ten year cycle - awful but not a near death experience so far. I will give more thought to this as I get older.
It is worth noting - getting the flu probably gives lifetime immunity to the offending strain and close mutations. The effect is less certain (weaker) from the shot.
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If you are interested in vaccinations, you will find learning about the nanopatch very interesting. It will probably go down as one of more important inventions of the 21st century and will possibly save many millions of lives. The Ted Talk is fascinating and just 13 minutes.


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Don't forget the shingles vaccine. I believe that it is more effective for younger people.
Hey now, the CDC says that is for ages 50 and older! I'm a good ways from there, my friend! But I will tell DH, he's practically a fossil!
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Hey now, the CDC says that is for ages 50 and older! I'm a good ways from there, my friend! But I will tell DH, he's practically a fossil!
I keep forgetting you are just a kid. But you can get shingles at any age, just more likely as you age.
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Shingles is much less severe, as a rule, and less frequent in those under 50. Preventing shingles becomes more important as you age due to growing weakness in the immune system and the growing possibility of Postherpetic neuralgia (ongoing pain that can last for months or years). Fortunately, the Shingles vaccine is even more effective at reducing the severity of severe Shingles cases than in preventing Shingles itself.

This is probably why it does not yet make sense for those under 50 to get the vaccine.

This matches my personal experience. I was shocked to get Shingles at age 47. And it lasted around 6 weeks. It was so minor at first that I did not recognize it and thus I was not able to treat it in time with the standard treatment (start a course of Aciclovir or Valtrex in the first 72 hours).

But the only time I felt anything was during vigorous exercise (and still not enough to prevent that, more like little pin pricks than pain). The outbreak was under the skin and although you could see it there, it didn't break through like the typical outbreak.

If I were 57 or 67 instead of 47, I am sure my experience would have been MUCH different. I plan to get the vaccine about age 50.
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Not sure it is mentioned here already, but the flu vaccine is something like 60% effective. So it just about halves your risk of getting the flu. There is also some evidence that if you do get it, it will be less severe with a vaccinnation.

This means that herd immunity doesn't really apply for this, and is also the reason I believe that vaccination is mostly recommended for people with weaker immune systems.

I guess that's also the reason why flu vaccination is not part of the regular vaccination program for everyone (cost/benefit) in most 'developed' countries.
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Hey now, the CDC says that is for ages 50 and older! I'm a good ways from there, my friend! But I will tell DH, he's practically a fossil!
Don might have already had it. They probably snuck it in with the other shots he's had to get before heading out into the hinterlands. Maybe you too, for that matter.
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Don might have already had it. They probably snuck it in with the other shots he's had to get before heading out into the hinterlands. Maybe you too, for that matter.
True. Will have to check on that. This last trip the only thing he probably need inoculation against was terrible Russian vodka!
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I used to get a free flu shot every year at work. It was so convenient and easy, and took less than five minutes. I never had a bad reaction of any kind. To me it seemed like the flu shot raised my general immunity, and I felt that I was less likely to be out sick for other reasons.

But since I retired, I haven't had any flu shots. This thread is inspiring me to get one, since they are free with Medicare and BCBS, and my local CVS is advertising that they have flu shots available. I never had the "super flu shot" for ages 65+ before, though, so I am going to wait until I have nothing scheduled before getting it.

Also inspiring me to get a flu shot is the following tidbit of information, which to me is pretty shocking. Even if it was exaggerated, which I have no reason to believe is the case, it still would be motivation enough for me to get the shot now that I am 66 years old:

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I was in yesterday getting my Achilles tendonitis checked out (yep, that's what it is), and they offered the shot so I took it. They don't usually bother me, but my arm's a little achy this morning. Must be the good stuff.
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This week I received in the mail the CVS Pharmacy no-cost (with supporting insurance) flu shot advertisement. But I wanted to get a Tdap shot also, and found out in advance that it isn't given at the Pharm. Checked out the CVS Minute Clinic, they will do it, so I just got both Flu and Tdap there.
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Next is the priority one, the Shingles shot. I'm going to go to my PCP for that, hopefully not a full office visit. I need to go there every once in a long while to stay current as a patient. But I don't want to stay too current
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My PCP did not offer the Shingles shot. They recommended the pharmacy. The problem is TriCare for Life requires it be given by the doctor's office. It took me two years to convince them to give it to me.
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I believe Medicare will pay for your annual flu shot for those 65&>.
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Next is the priority one, the Shingles shot. I'm going to go to my PCP for that, hopefully not a full office visit. I need to go there every once in a long while to stay current as a patient. But I don't want to stay too current
Well that didn't work out! I could not get anyone at my PCP via phone nor leaving messages to tell me, without a doubt, that getting a Shingles shot from them, and their obligatory visit with Dr. for a minute, that they would code it as "Preventative" (and not "diagnostic" or "Dr. directed"). This was very important, as the Shingles shot is $$$, plus the office visit on top of that. My insurance will pay 100% for vaccines and the administration thereof, if they are on the CDC vaccination list (Shingles, Flu, Tdap, etc. etc.).
We pay $7,000 a year for group plan premiums on a hi-deductible plan. I should be able to use the "preventative" benefits!
Problem is not the ins. co., it's the PCPs. DW had same issue elsewhere on a bone-density test that she decided she wanted. We got snookered on that one, had to pay it all ourselves as the PCP secretly coded it as diagnostic, and DW was unable to get them (PCP) to change it ("but it goes towards your deductible" - yeah, right, just like money in the bank, not!)

So I did some looking around online, CVS Minute Clinic does not give the Shingles shot, but CVS pharmacy in same store does give it. They had it in stock and person to give it. They had no problem at all entering my ins. card # into their system, finding me, and getting approval at 100% preventative BEFORE doing anything! They had their act together. Yay! So I got it there. I am getting better service at retail pharmacy and minute clinic than at PCP.

Shingles shot is a shot just under the skin, more like the old TB test, and not down into muscle. With today's thin needles, into the muscle is about painless to me, nothing at all like the nail they would hammer me with in the old days! But the Shingles shot was more painful, and is sore. But still no big deal.
I am now done with shots. My shots bucket list is empty!

As more and more of the costs of health insurance are being transferred to the workers, soon I expect people to start complaining that 1/4 or 1/5 of their salary is going for health ins. premiums, and they will start getting angry with their PCPs "money is no object" (if it's the patients money!) attitude.
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