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Old 10-12-2011, 12:34 PM   #41
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My SIL is a cancer survivor, now in his mid-30s. He had not been feeling well so went to a specialist of some kind. That physician determined that the chemo had damaged his liver and advised that he change his diet significantly. Based on what I saw on my recent visit he has eliminated/greatly reduced carbs and fats from his diet, although the physician told him to drink whole milk - not skim. Now he is consuming lots of fresh vegetables and fruits, lean meat in modest quantities. He looked great and has lost about 30 pounds.
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As I tell my clients the only thing in a diet book should be "eat less calories then you burn".
I'd prefer "eat real food, not too much"...
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I obsessively enter/track everything I eat to try to hit weekly calorie, protein grams, carb grams and fat grams goals. I have been doing this for years even at times when I am gaining weight and not "dieting". I have found the basic premise of this article to be true for myself.

For instance, when I eat 2,000 calories per day and don't exercise at all I will lose more weight than if I eat 2,400 calories per day and burn 400 per day on the treadmill. In other words, the exercise calories I burn do not appear to be a one for one exchange for the additional calories I eat.

Having said that, if I limit by eating to 2,000 calories per day AND still do the 400 calories on the treadmill, I will lose slightly more than no exercise at all.

The type of exercise I do has different impacts on my appetite as suggested by the story. If I am doing incline walks on the treadmill or long speed walks outside, I really do not sense any increase in appetite. In fact, immediately after this type of exercise my appetite genearlly will cease for an hour or so.

However, if I am involved in a fairly vigorous weight training program, I found my appetite does spike upward in fairly dramatic fashion. I seem to always be hungry as if my muscles are craving additonal protein and carbs to repair themselves (recover). The popular wisdow out there is to do weight training to increase your metabolism but I find it really increases my appetite more than anything else.

It took me a few years of trying different things to spot this trend in my numbers but due to this I have stopped lifting weights all together and now do moderate aerobic activity such as long hikes, incline walks on the treadmill and some jogging. However the key, for me at least, to weight lost is simply how many calores I consume on a weekly basis. It doesn't even seem to matter what type of calories they are (carbs vs protein, etc...). I have found that a diet high in protein seems to keep me feeling fuller for a longer period of time.
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It's not all about losing weight -- converting fat to muscle is generally a good thing even if your regimen doesn't result in dropping a single ounce. So people who "aren't getting thin" are still likely both converting fat to muscle and improving their cardiovascular performance, and in that case I think someone who felt cheated that they didn't lose weight are losing sight of the bigger and more important picture.
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As a personal trainer I can tell you if you exercise you will lose weight. The main reason you feel hungry after your cardio workouts is that you're probably thirsty. If you drink either water, chocolate milk (low fat) or a sports drink it should help. Also, working out with weights helps as the more muscle you have on your body the more calories you burn. As I tell my clients the only thing in a diet book should be "eat less calories then you burn". This will hold true if you eat 2000 calories a day or 4000 calories a day. At 53 I am in the best shape of my life and I cycle over 150 miles a week, so yes cardio will help you lose weight.
I heard low fat chocolate milk is the new "perfect drink" after exercise, would you agree with that?
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And in related news, women who take vitamins do not live longer than women who don't: Vitamin and Mineral Diet Supplements Don't Help and May Harm Older Women, Study Says - ABC News

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The study looked at more than 38,000 women age 55 and older who participated in the Iowa Women's Health Study since the mid-1980s. The researchers found that when it came to reducing the risk of death, most supplements had no effect on women's health.

In fact, women who took certain kinds of dietary supplements -- vitamin B6, folic acid, magnesium, zinc, copper, iron and multivitamins -- faced a slightly higher risk of death than women who did not. Only women who took supplemental calcium showed any reduction in their risk of death.
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And in related news, women who take vitamins do not live longer than women who don't: Vitamin and Mineral Diet Supplements Don't Help and May Harm Older Women, Study Says - ABC News
Interesting. I wonder if Dr. Hensrud was trying to make a joke:
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Dr. Donald Hensrud, chair of preventive medicine at the Mayo Clinic, said the conflicting evidence seems overwhelming, but the new study helps to clarify the overall message.
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When I started seriously working out (weights and cardio) about 20 years ago, I promptly gained 6 pounds. But, I still wore the same size.

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It's not all about losing weight -- converting fat to muscle is generally a good thing even if your regimen doesn't result in dropping a single ounce. So people who "aren't getting thin" are still likely both converting fat to muscle and improving their cardiovascular performance, and in that case I think someone who felt cheated that they didn't lose weight are losing sight of the bigger and more important picture.
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I've dropped a few pounds since I got my Concept2. I think in some cases for some people exercise is an efficient way to lose weight, or at least to lose fat. However, dieting (however you define that) is usually more to the point.

Nevertheless exercise is important for many reasons other than weight loss, so even if person is the weight s/he wants to be, it is still a very good idea to exercise.

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Many people are sophisticated in their knowledge and expertise in efficiently losing weight and fitness. But for "Joe Pot Belly" trying to drop 20 unsuccessfully, I think the major problem lies in underestimating his actual calorie burning "workout by walking around the block", and keeping the hole under his nose closed when the portion size was met. I know my favorite delicacy of a serving of captain crunch berries says 140 calories with skim milk (who the hell can only eat 3/4 of a cup of this and stop?) But for me in reality my bowl is filled to the brim with about 400 calories, so 3 bowls later I'm still hungry, kicking myself in the rear for not eating the ham sandwich instead that would have filled me up hundreds of calories ago. Fortunately I can get away with this a couple times a week.
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A protein-sugar drink taken immediately after intense exercise also hastens healing of the muscles damaged by hard exercise (Journal of Applied Physiology, April 2009).
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Losing weight does not necessarily mean you will be physically fit or look thin, and if you work out you may be more physically fit but it does not necessarily mean you will get thin and ripped looking.
When I was first diagnosed with T2 diabetes, over the following 3 month period, I went from ~215 lbs down to ~175 lbs by walking and eating better. From there, I started lifting weights and added quite a bit of lean muscle mass and did look thinner, however, over that 18 month period of lifting I saw my weight go up to about 198 lbs, with the diet remaining essentially the same, but probably a bit heathier. I still have a layer of fat, that regardless of what I do in the gym is not giving me a 6 pack, but I suspect that is more a function of my metabolism/insulin resistance and will only be solved by a better nutritional plan vs simply buring more calories through additional exercise. I posted an article about this earlier in the thread and believe it is fundamentally correct.
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A person that actually looks lean is surprisingly light for their size. Almost everyone underestimates the amount of body fat they are actually carrying.
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Losing weight does not necessarily mean you will be physically fit or look thin, and if you work out you may be more physically fit but it does not necessarily mean you will get thin and ripped looking.
When I was first diagnosed with T2 diabetes, over the following 3 month period, I went from ~215 lbs down to ~175 lbs by walking and eating better. From there, I started lifting weights and added quite a bit of lean muscle mass and did look thinner, however, over that 18 month period of lifting I saw my weight go up to about 198 lbs, with the diet remaining essentially the same, but probably a bit heathier. I still have a layer of fat, that regardless of what I do in the gym is not giving me a 6 pack, but I suspect that is more a function of my metabolism/insulin resistance and will only be solved by a better nutritional plan vs simply buring more calories through additional exercise. I posted an article about this earlier in the thread and believe it is fundamentally correct.
Look at the work of William E. Kraus, a cardiologist at Duke, who has done a very sophisticated series of studies on exercise and cardiovascular health. Very likely certain kinds of exercise done right will have a strong effect on health, even if no weight loss is experienced. In particular, one or more of his studies deal with insulin resistance, though I don't remember that the subjects were frankly diabetic.

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Here is another article that suggests increasing muscle mass having a positive affect on insulin resistance:

Build Muscle to Fight Diabetes, Researchers Say [VIDEO]
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Cyclegirl, 150 miles a week is pretty impressive. Except for the week long BRAG ride in June, 100 to 120 is about all I can manage. Of course, if I weren't working....
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Portion control, balanced diet, reduced calorie intake, and regular exercise is the winning combination for weight loss.
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No, I think it is a good idea to exercise. But, I don't think it is the primary path to weight loss.
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