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Old 07-12-2018, 11:43 AM   #21
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I have been thin-ish most of my life. I began eating low carb when my weight began to creep up about 7 or 8 years ago. Recently it began creeping up again and I was trying to get back down to my usual weight. I read this article about "intermittent fasting" which I quickly realized meant (for me) skipping breakfast. Lately I haven't been getting hungry till 10:30 or so in the morning so it was easy. My weight went right back to where I wanted it- I still have the occasional beer, wine and or chocolate, so it doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice at all.
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Together we are down 110 pounds...
This reminds me of one of my favorite statistics:

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Jan 26, 2013 - They formed one of the most powerful yet lopsided pair of baseball brothers. Together, they hit 768 home runs in the major leagues, by far the most of any brother combination. Henry hit 755, or 98 percent of them, and Tommie hit the other 13.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:34 PM   #23
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My DW came back from our Mexican vacation in February at 166lb and decided she needed to see a dietician. First part was to cut out the following -

1 - Sugar
2 - Processed Food
3 - Dairy
4 - Gluten
5 - Legumes
6 - Alcohol

2nd part of the 90 day program was to count carbs and stay under 50/day.

She really doesn't do any exercise other than walks we take with the dog.

Today she weighed in at 143!

She's reintroduced a few things like Vodka/Soda and some occasional cheese but it seems like this is something that might stick around. She has lost 7lb since the program ended which is a good sign.
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I just had my annual physical yesterday and weighed in at 160.2 lbs. I'm 5'10" and my weight has been between 160-172 over the past 25 years which is considered normal range for my height. The doctor was happy and stated that I was probably going to be the only one in a normal weight range that he would see today. The only medication I take is 81 mg of Aspirin daily since the age of 48 per the protocol at my healthcare provider. Some of the healthcare workers had the bodies of a troll. The nurse drawing my blood, was about 5 feet tall and twice my width. How do they let this go on? My doctor stated that they have just given up with patients and now prescribe medication to control cholesterol, diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart conditions. He stated many of these people will need knee, hip, shoulder replacements if they make it to their later years. He stated that with modern medicine, you may only live a few years longer leading a healthy life, but the quality of your life will be much better.

As we look around us we see people getting heavier and heavier. Thirty years ago it would have been rare to see an obese person in Europe, but today sadly we see them all the time. The only parts of the world that we have seen escape this epidemic so far has been Asia.

I don't diet and never have. I never count calories. The key to staying in shape is your lifestyle and food choices. I eat 5-6 times a day and work out at 4-5 times per week (mostly cycling, hiking swimming, free weights) with my wife. The key is portion control. It's better to eat small portions more frequently than a few large meals. We avoid soft drinks, candies, chips, deep fried foods, fruit juices. When dining out, we avoid buffets, IHOPs, Denny's, Brazilian steak houses, and choose fine dining restaurants where the portions are controlled. All you can eat buffets are evil. They will tempt you to go back for more to get your money's worth. Just stay away from them. We find it's better to pay more for fine dining than pay later for weight control. Believe it or not, it's better to eat a plate of Eggs Benedict with salmon and roasted potatoes than an all you can eat breakfast buffet or McDonald's breakfast. You'll feel much better after. It's better to eat a gourmet burger with the brioche bun and a beer, than the McDonald's quarter pounder with fries and a soft drink. If you are struggling with your weight, try eating small meals 5-6 time per day.
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While exercising appears not to be an answer to weight loss according to a an article today in NYT (until a person exercises 60 minutes per day, 5 days per week) it does appear that getting from place to place without a car is very helpful. Studies coming mostly out of Europe continue to show a difference between people who use a motor vehicle to get from place to place and those who don't. Cyclists seem to be the most successful in keeping their weight/health in line. I expect walkers use their motor vehicles more. Where you live plays a role for how often the car can be left in the garage but to the extent it can, it should help in weight loss and general health. Here is a link to an article about the European study. Study: Cycling daily reduces obesity - unless it's an e-bike | road.cc
It's why I love my neighborhood (historic but very trendy, HCOL) so much. I needed to replace my Sodastream canisters this morning, so I walked the four blocks to exchange those, then walked across the street to pick up a prescription at the drugstore, then walked a block to the grocery store to pick up some stuff. I maybe use my car twice a week (I walk to and from the subway to get to work, or sometimes walk the three miles).

I am down 70 lbs from my all-time high weight 10 years ago, and I do contribute some of that to the amount of walking I do. It didn't make me thin, but who knows how much more I would have weighed if I drove to everything.

As to low carb/satiety, breakfast was some full-fat Greek yogurt, then I walked those errands and worked for an hour in the yard, then lunch was mashed avocado with salt and olive oil. Dinner will be a spring mix and tomato salad with chicken, bacon, and ranch dressing. Finally just had a Quest bar to add some calories and protein at 3:30 pm, and My Fitness Pal tells me I still could have another 250 calories after that to hit 1,400 calories. And yet I'm just not particularly hungry.
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Lately, I have been doing slow-carb.

The take away is that I am down close to 15 pounds in three months, and currently at my lowest weight in at least 15 years. All without going hungry, denying myself good food in descent quantities and best of all - no calorie counting. I find it's a lot more sustainable. The carb/fat/protein ratio is pretty well balanced, IMHO.

The book "Always Hungry" explains much better than I can why it works.

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After I retired I decided I needed to lose weight . I was at my all time high . I just cut portions and exercised . I am now at 126 and have been there for eight years .My SO also lost sixty pounds doing the same thing .
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The doctor was happy and stated that I was probably going to be the only one in a normal weight range that he would see today. The only medication I take is 81 mg of Aspirin daily since the age of 48 per the protocol at my healthcare provider. Some of the healthcare workers had the bodies of a troll. The nurse drawing my blood, was about 5 feet tall and twice my width. How do they let this go on? My doctor stated that they have just given up with patients and now prescribe medication to control cholesterol, diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart conditions. He stated many of these people will need knee, hip, shoulder replacements if they make it to their later years.
And we all pay for this- it drives me crazy. There are the "there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I" medical issues that come from bad genes or bad luck or both, and then there are the ones that come from smoking, fatty foods, Caramel Macchiato Frappucinos, Denny's Big Slam breakfasts and lack of exercise. I live in an area with mixed demographics and it kills me to watch people buying cases and cases of pop and Little Debbie snack cakes. No wonder many of those on scooters have an empty sock where a foot used to be.

OK, I'll stop ranting now. I'm female, 5'7" and my peak weight about 10 years ago was 147. This morning I was at 121.4. OK, I cheated a bit- it was after a sweaty workout but before lunch, but over the years I've cut way back on candy, pasta, white rice, potatoes and bread. I eat more fresh fruits and vegetables, more quinoa, bulghur, etc., and far less meat. I have not given up caffeine or alcohol! I relax a bit on vacation but both my grocery cart and my home food supply are very different from most. I feel VERY good at this weight.
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My wife worked in a hospital as an OR surgical nurse. She said that many surgeons refused to work with fat nurses in the OR during long surgical procedures because of their complaints about standing on their feet for long periods. One surgeon told a nurse to "get her fat ass out" and stop complaining and then got a harassment complaint against her.

Sounds to me like the doctor was the "ass".
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What astonishes me is that diet is one thing - and THE most important thing - that has been looked at more or less scientifically for 2,500 years. It was virtually the only tool the ancients had for medical treatments and evaluations. And they did look at diet carefully. It was something they could observe, measure, record. And medical people did so throughout recorded history. And they WERE scientists. They didn't have all the instruments we have (and we have many fewer than we will have in the future), but they knew how to observe and analyze.

And still they couldn't get diet figured out. Nor can we moderns. Carbs vs. fats, round 827, anyone? The most recent findings show no great difference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...er/2017/07/13/ Sugar? The new villain? To the point that it has to be treated as poison? I have my doubts about that extreme treatment.

I find it kind of comforting that nobody really knows! There can't really be diet police, not yet, thankfully. I like the idea that we don't really know that much more than the Greeks. We have to ask ourselves what makes sense for us. Cutting a food group out? Cutting a meal out? Cutting hours where we consume food? Counting calories? Listening to our own fullness cues? Ditching restaurants and take-out?

There are a variety of approaches depending on one's own sense of what works.
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Sounds to me like the doctor was the "ass".
Unless, of course, you were the patient depending on someone being able to stay the course.
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DW, at 5'1", bloated up to 102 lbs today...told her to take her fat ass to the pool....(yeah right....I wouldn't be able to type with broken fingers).
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And we all pay for this- it drives me crazy. There are the "there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I" medical issues that come from bad genes or bad luck or both, and then there are the ones that come from smoking, fatty foods, Caramel Macchiato Frappucinos, Denny's Big Slam breakfasts and lack of exercise. I live in an area with mixed demographics and it kills me to watch people buying cases and cases of pop and Little Debbie snack cakes. No wonder many of those on scooters have an empty sock where a foot used to be.

OK, I'll stop ranting now. I'm female, 5'7" and my peak weight about 10 years ago was 147. This morning I was at 121.4. OK, I cheated a bit- it was after a sweaty workout but before lunch, but over the years I've cut way back on candy, pasta, white rice, potatoes and bread. I eat more fresh fruits and vegetables, more quinoa, bulghur, etc., and far less meat. I have not given up caffeine or alcohol! I relax a bit on vacation but both my grocery cart and my home food supply are very different from most. I feel VERY good at this weight.
You are correct. The healthy people are paying for the chronically sick and with the obesity epidemic in full throttle, the insurance premiums will continue to rise. I have no issues with people with pre-existing conditions, but not those who eat their way into chronic health issues are killing the health system. On our way to our doctor in Santa Monica yesterday, we saw a big sign at the Burger King that read "Now Accepting EBT Payments". What a great way to keep the poorest people fat.

By the way, 5'7" and 147 lbs is not even close to overweight. But 121 lbs is really lean. Good work! My wife is about 5'7" and around 130 lbs.

My view is that you can eat most foods in moderation. There is nothing wrong with pasta. It won't make you fat unless you gorge on the endless pasta from Olive Garden. Potatoes are good for you also but not deep fried or the supersized ones stuffed with bacon, sour cream, cheese, and the sprinkles of chives (it makes people feel like they are eating their greens). There is nothing wrong with coffee or alcohol in moderation. Our espresso machine runs every morning.
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Unless, of course, you were the patient depending on someone being able to stay the course.
I imagine there would be better ways to convey the point, but it certainly doesn't surprise me that it was said that way. Fat prejudice is alive and well.


P.S. Yes, I've been fighting my weight all of my adult life (currently 60). It infuriates me to read that kind of crap. I know, I know fat people are lazy and do it to themselves, blah, blah, blah.

Rant over. Now, back to figuring out if I want to eat less carbs or less fat.
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Sounds to me like the doctor was the "ass".
The doctor was trying to do her job. What if you were the patient under the knife?

My dentist has said worse things to her portly assistant while she was working on my teeth. I forgive her. She is extremely competent and just trying to do her job efficiently.
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The doctor was trying to do her job. What if you were the patient under the knife?

My dentist has said worse things to her portly assistant while she was working on my teeth. I forgive her. She is extremely competent and just trying to do her job efficiently.
Agreed, the nurse that can't stand up without pain shouldn't be a nurse in an operating room. Obviously, that's not what I had a problem with.
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P.S. Yes, I've been fighting my weight all of my adult life (currently 60). It infuriates me to read that kind of crap. I know, I know fat people are lazy and do it to themselves, blah, blah, blah.
I'm starting to understand. For most of my life I didn't have to think about weight control. If I wanted to lose weight I'd just have two helpings instead of three. When I was 22 I struggled to put on weight to get up to 145 lbs (I'm 5'9") for my job that had a minimum weight requirement.

Fast forward 46 years and I'm now struggling to keep it at or below 150 lbs.
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I imagine there would be better ways to convey the point, but it certainly doesn't surprise me that it was said that way. Fat prejudice is alive and well.


P.S. Yes, I've been fighting my weight all of my adult life (currently 60). It infuriates me to read that kind of crap. I know, I know fat people are lazy and do it to themselves, blah, blah, blah.

Rant over. Now, back to figuring out if I want to eat less carbs or less fat.
Doctors say and do much worse things with obese patients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/h...alth-care.html

Many are at a point where they feel helpless and patients are non-compliant. My brother is a doctor and has recounted many horrific things that his fellow surgeons say about their overweight patients. Many don't even want to deal with these patients due to potential complications leading to complaints and legal issues.

Buy a bike and start riding. Start slowly and work your way up to 10, 15, 20, 25, and 35 mile rides. The pounds will start coming off in weeks. In 6 months you will be shopping for new clothes and will feel much better.
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What astonishes me is that diet is one thing - and THE most important thing - that has been looked at more or less scientifically for 2,500 years. It was virtually the only tool the ancients had for medical treatments and evaluations. And they did look at diet carefully. It was something they could observe, measure, record. And medical people did so throughout recorded history. And they WERE scientists. They didn't have all the instruments we have (and we have many fewer than we will have in the future), but they knew how to observe and analyze.

And still they couldn't get diet figured out. Nor can we moderns. Carbs vs. fats, round 827, anyone? The most recent findings show no great difference: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...er/2017/07/13/ Sugar? The new villain? To the point that it has to be treated as poison? I have my doubts about that extreme treatment.

I find it kind of comforting that nobody really knows! There can't really be diet police, not yet, thankfully. I like the idea that we don't really know that much more than the Greeks. We have to ask ourselves what makes sense for us. Cutting a food group out? Cutting a meal out? Cutting hours where we consume food? Counting calories? Listening to our own fullness cues? Ditching restaurants and take-out?

There are a variety of approaches depending on one's own sense of what works.

It's true that different diet approaches can work for different people. However, I think it's fairly obvious that the rapid rise in consumption of highly-processed foods (sugary snack and dessert foods, soda, chips, crackers, etc) over the last 40-50 years tracks pretty well with the rise in obesity over that same time period. Before all that stuff was widely available, obesity (and all the diseases that come with it, including diabetes) were not near the problems that they are today. So, for virtually everyone, I think, if you can just minimize your consumption of those things, and try to eat mainly "real food" (veggies, meat, fish, eggs, healthy fats), your weight will probably be okay, and your health okay also.
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Doctors say and do much worse things with obese patients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/h...alth-care.html

Many are at a point where they feel helpless and patients are non-compliant. My brother is a doctor and has recounted many horrific things that his fellow surgeons say about their overweight patients. Many don't even want to deal with these patients due to potential complications leading to complaints and legal issues.

Buy a bike and start riding. Start slowly and work your way up to 10, 15, 20, 25, and 35 mile rides. The pounds will start coming off in weeks. In 6 months you will be shopping for new clothes and will feel much better.
Yikes! That article made me want to go eat a Twinkie! I've run into similar biases with a doctor. Had a Neurologist once tell me my problem was from sleep apnea. He could tell I had sleep apnea (without testing) due to my 20" neck. Way wrong. But, nice guess.

Thanks for the advice, but riding a bike won't be happening.
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