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Old 04-06-2012, 05:45 PM   #61
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When I was a kid and lived on Long Island my day used to come home late from work on Fridays. He would stop of in Brooklyn and pick up a dozen fresh hot bagels and they would be still warm when he got home. I'd wake up and sit with him and have a bagel. I can tell you from experince that Panera bagels have nothing to do with bagels from Brooklyn.
I can only think of three possibilities - - - (1) you might know someone there who would send you fresh bagels and Italian bread shipped overnight to you (which would probably cost a fortune), or (2) maybe you could learn to make them at home (which is probably very difficult). The last possibility (3) is that you can go back now and then, eat your fill and thoroughly enjoy bagels and Italian bread there and any other good things about Brooklyn, and then return..

We were facing a similar dilemma when planning to move to Missouri. We knew we would miss good New Orleans food so much! I found a couple of places that would ship various New Orleans food staples, and Frank's sister could ship us things too, but we figured we'd have to return every few months to get the full experience.

I do think that with technology and the internet making the world so much smaller, we are right now moving into a period of time when it is becoming possible to get meals from memorable restaurants shipped within hours to one's door. I haven't done that yet, but understand that it is becoming very easy to do.
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Old 04-06-2012, 06:01 PM   #62
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Midwesterner here. I've never had a New York bagel and have a feeling I'm missing something, right? My idea of a really excellent bagel is Bruegger's rosemary and olive oil, with plain cream cheese.

Like many others here, I cannot give up my morning coffee. The hardest thing about my recent cataract surgery was cutting the coffee as I was told I couldn't eat or drink anything the day of surgery and I was worried about a withdrawal headache. So I cut back over three weeks by slowly substituting decaf (yuk).

Perhaps a close second is an occasional cookie binge as I am a cookie monster. In fact, I crave Target's Archer Farms monster cookies. If you've not tried them, you should. Inexpensive, loaded with oats, chunk chocolate, M & M's, peanuts.
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I tend to look at it according the (possibly apocryphal) quote attributed to Winston Churchill when he was asked whether you could live to be 100 by eating only the "right" foods and abstaining from anything thought to be "unhealthy": "Yes, but it will *feel* like 200."

I'd rather enjoy all things in moderation, tune out the constantly changing "nutrition scare du jour" reports and kick from a heart attack at 72 than completely deprive myself of the things that make like more enjoyable and die of cancer or Alzheimer's at 85. That's just me, of course; your mileage may vary.

I think the stress and reduced happiness caused by going out of your way to 100% avoid *anything* you find enjoyable isn't healthy, either.

Give up a small number of things because of a specific health problem? Sure. Give up everything that has ever been implicated as possibly unhealthy or even "poison" by some alarmist nutritionists? No way.
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I can only think of three possibilities - - - (1) you might know someone there who would send you fresh bagels and Italian bread shipped overnight to you (which would probably cost a fortune), or (2) maybe you could learn to make them at home (which is probably very difficult). The last possibility (3) is that you can go back now and then, eat your fill and thoroughly enjoy bagels and Italian bread there and any other good things about Brooklyn, and then return..

We were facing a similar dilemma when planning to move to Missouri. We knew we would miss good New Orleans food so much! I found a couple of places that would ship various New Orleans food staples, and Frank's sister could ship us things too, but we figured we'd have to return every few months to get the full experience.

I do think that with technology and the internet making the world so much smaller, we are right now moving into a period of time when it is becoming possible to get meals from memorable restaurants shipped within hours to one's door. I haven't done that yet, but understand that it is becoming very easy to do.
We use solution #3. We have one Grand Child in NY and visit a few times a year. While up there we get our full and always bring back a dozen or so inside our carry on bags.
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I have given up one of the three basic food groups. Nicotine caffeine and alcohol.

Keeping caffeine and alcohol.
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We use solution #3. We have one Grand Child in NY and visit a few times a year. While up there we get our full and always bring back a dozen or so inside our carry on bags.
Good!

What amazes me is that one just cannot easily get satisfactory versions of these foods elsewhere. I remember ordering seafood gumbo at the restaurant at Casino Magic in Biloxi (in early 2005, before Katrina washed it away). This is only 75 miles from New Orleans so I thought that was close enough. However, I was starving but it tasted like unseasoned nondescript fish soup made with used DISHWATER. The locals thought it was fabulous and a wonderful replication of New Orleans gumbo. Oh pul-eeze. I guess we are just too particular but nobody here would tolerate gumbo like that.
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. I can tell you from experince that Panera bagels have nothing to do with bagels from Brooklyn.
Absolutely true but they are better than the alternatives or maybe I have been in Florida too long .
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I have given up one of the three basic food groups. Nicotine caffeine and alcohol.

Keeping caffeine and alcohol.
My guess is that this is the best of the three, but no necessarily the easiest of the three, to punt...Congratulations!

Oh, BTW...BACON!
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The locals thought it was fabulous and a wonderful replication of New Orleans gumbo. Oh pul-eeze. I guess we are just too particular but nobody here would tolerate gumbo like that.
I think that is the key. If the customers just will not eat or buy sub-par food, good food will be available. Otherwise, lesser food will be sold. Everything that distinguishes excellence from OK takes, time, or money, or special attention and skill-and only the fear of losing sales will enforce high quality. Also, tourist taste may not be the same as yours. Like, do not eat tomato sauce in most places in the midwest, you will regret it.

That is why I almost always make the extra effort to buy fish at a Japanese market. These people will absolutely not tolerate anything but the freshest fish and seafood, so why should I? But if it were only me refusing to buy subpar stuff, no one would pay any attention to me.

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I've mostly given up coffee, causes migraines.
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On a more serious vein bread, particularly french bread is absolutely the hardest thing for me to be without
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There is perhaps a cure for the chocolate craving, a 5 lb. chocolate bar:

Amazon.com: The World's Largest Chocolate Bar, 5lb Hershey's Milk Chocolate Bar: Home & Kitchen

Saw one in a store last week for $50 and seriously considered buying it. I didn't know they made one that big.
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