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Old 05-25-2016, 05:31 PM   #161
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I'll annoy you the way I did my college boy friend. Drink two mouthfuls of his chocolate milkshake, but refuse his offer to buy me one of my own because it would be too much; and eat three of his French fries but refuse...well, you get the idea. Soon I'll be kicked out of the club!

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We can form a club to go eat out together to save money. One hamburger can serve 3. Now, who gets the fries?
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Old 05-25-2016, 10:47 PM   #162
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So, why exactly do we get fat?


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So, why exactly do we get fat?
Funny!

It's because we eat more calories than our bodies need, and we eat more for a lot of different reasons and each of our needs are different for a lot of different reasons.
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Ha ha, that's called being a woman! Just kidding, since I know you are a MAN, but taking half the bun (or more) off the burger used to be a chick thing. I remember being teased in college for doing that.
Those healthy eating chicks would be horrified at my burgers - I tear half the bun off sure but underneath is a double meat bacon cheeseburger. Love those things but I'm not happy with lettuce or no bun - gotta have some bread.
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Those healthy eating chicks would be horrified at my burgers - I tear half the bun off sure but underneath is a double meat bacon cheeseburger. Love those things but I'm not happy with lettuce or no bun1 - gotta have some bread.
I am certainly glad to see you included bacon; life would suck without that!
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Did I say they were healthy? Maybe they are, but the point of avoiding the bun - or chocolate shake, or anything else - was to keep weight down. Sometimes we think weight obsession is a modern thing, but it was a big worry 40 years ago, at least in the world I occupied. And my Mother's world, too...I have her 1940's beauty manuals, which contain diets that look a lot like something you'd see in a ladies' magazine today.They don't mention carbohydrates or fat grams, but they do talk about calories.

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Those healthy eating chicks would be horrified at my burgers - I tear half the bun off sure but underneath is a double meat bacon cheeseburger. Love those things but I'm not happy with lettuce or no bun - gotta have some bread.
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Keeping one's weight in check is for more than appearance. A lot of health risks comes with obesity. And while everything in my blood test is OK, my blood glucose was inching up to the borderline. Knowing that my parents and siblings all have this problem though none is at the point of requiring insulin, I would be dumb not to cut back on carb.
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Old 05-26-2016, 11:16 AM   #168
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I do intend to get a general check-up and blood work done in the near future, but I have never had this problem if I walk before I eat. I can walk at 7am or at 9am and I'm fine as long as it's before breakfast.
Most likely your high carb breakfast is stimulating insulin secretion which clamps most of your body's ability to burn body fat. Your walk depletes the glucose you consumed plus the limited amount of glycogen you have stored (due to your long-term calorie restricted diet) and you bonk.

I recommend you get a glucose meter and see what your high carb meals are doing to your blood sugar. Ideally, you want to keep your blood sugar fairly stable (and certainly below 140).
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Most likely your high carb breakfast is stimulating insulin secretion which clamps most of your body's ability to burn body fat. Your walk depletes the glucose you consumed plus the limited amount of glycogen you have stored (due to your long-term calorie restricted diet) and you bonk.

I recommend you get a glucose meter and see what your high carb meals are doing to your blood sugar. Ideally, you want to keep your blood sugar fairly stable (and certainly below 140).
Although oatmeal is certainly not low-carb one cup of cooked whole oats has only 1g sugar.. if someone add lots of sugar or other sweet stuff it might raise the glucose but oatmeal alone shouldn't be a problem. I eat a few grains but I don't eat oatmeal ever since I heard a nutritionist refer to it as basically "sludge for the gut"...
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One of the "new" things I'm doing in my current diet plan is eating an entire Haas avocado per day. Not too long ago that would have been considered diet suicide! But now as a superfood it is known to actually aid in dieting with a host of good fat adding to the all-important satiation factor. I'm losing weight and loving the avocado!
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+1 on the avocado ...i eat mine with eggs or on a salad...
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Avocado is good food and has a lot of nutrients. It is not low in calories but, same as with nuts, it keeps me feeling full longer than empty carby food like crackers or bread. Each of us has been doing one small avocado a day, and we eat it by itself like a fruit that it is.
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Something about the texture keeps me from eating it whole, I use it instead of a meat protein during a meal. For some reason I find meats less appealing as time goes on. My Aldi's has had beautiful avacaodos for .49 cents for the last 2 weeks, what a bargain.
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Although oatmeal is certainly not low-carb one cup of cooked whole oats has only 1g sugar.. if someone add lots of sugar or other sweet stuff it might raise the glucose but oatmeal alone shouldn't be a problem. I eat a few grains but I don't eat oatmeal ever since I heard a nutritionist refer to it as basically "sludge for the gut"...
That cup of oatmeal is about 25 grams of carbs. It has a lowish glycemic index, but the glucose meter will show him how much that affects his blood sugar. Whatever he is eating for breakfast appears to clamp his body's ability to use fat.
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Point taken, he pointed out that his diet is probably about 60% carb 30% protein and only 10% fat so perhaps that's an issue...I'm reading labels for both carb and sugars count to work on fine tuning what I eat. I'm finding out for me, balance between the 3 groups makes a difference in how I feel.
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That cup of oatmeal is about 25 grams of carbs. It has a lowish glycemic index, but the glucose meter will show him how much that affects his blood sugar. Whatever he is eating for breakfast appears to clamp his body's ability to use fat.
I would agree. Additionally on 1400 calories a day I would be ill. Even more so at 60% carbs. When I ate high carbs losing my ability to continue physical activity was normal.

I understand the need to cut, attempting to lose 2(1000 calorie daily deficit) pounds weekly at close to a normal BMI is very aggressive(IMO). I would look at slowing down the loss over a longer period of time.

A question for the folks that are not sure of calories or macros. What technology are you using. I've been using MyFitnessPal for almost a year and feel I understand our calories and macro distribution very well. At least to the extent the nutritional data is accurate. We don't eat out much and I cook very simply, weighing our food..

In the same amount of time I could remember what I ate, I log it and view a chart of my macros and can get to the raw data. I don't think it takes any more time. Better yet it's free there's probably another 5 or 6 that do the same thing.
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I just had another ham-and-cheese sandwich. It's a substantial 6" long roll, not flimsy sliced sandwich bread. I ran out of my favorite cheddar, so try my wife's camembert "fabriqué en Normandie", and it's not bad. Oops, this is not the cheese thread.

Anyway, I guess people's bodies are built very differently, because I never have to avoid carb completely to lose weight or to lower fasting blood glucose.
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Dude, are you trying to rub it in....nothing wrong with the cheese or meat, but good on you if you can still enjoy bread. I found out I can give up donuts, cookies, cake and the like but I stand in the bakery drooling over a nice loaf of sourdough, or marble rye.If only you could buy fresh bread by the slice.
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You can buy a fresh baked French baguette, pinch off the end to eat (that's the part my wife likes, and she calls it the "elbow"), and hand the rest to the hobo sitting outside the bakery.

PS. By the way, breads generally have a very high glycemic index, almost as high as pure sugar. It gets right into your bloodstream as if you are swallowing pure sugar. Very, very bad for diabetes.
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Aha! Threadjack! And here's where it goes entirely off the rails...Make America Grate Again! Great Cheese Glut

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