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Old 05-29-2016, 10:30 AM   #221
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That is what Chuckanut was explaining in his text below the italicized sentence. You two are in agreement
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If your thyroid has gone haywire, it's going to be hard dealing with the weight. And a lot of people develop thyroid problems after age 50.
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If your thyroid has gone haywire, it's going to be hard dealing with the weight. And a lot of people develop thyroid problems after age 50.
This is certainly a minority of obese people, but just the same -- if you are one of them, can you imagine what it feels like to be prejudged as a lazy, gluttonous slob and looked down upon for that reason, all because of a medical condition?

I believe our collective social attitudes about "fat" people are one of the last socially acceptable forms of prejudice.
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Sorry - not true. Metabolism can be very different between people.
For example thyroid issues can slow down your food burn.
Long diet history with lots of failure would do the same.
Ummm..... Go back and read what I wrote after that comment.
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That is what Chuckanut was explaining in his text below the italicized sentence. You two are in agreement
Yes we are. Sometimes great minds think alike.
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I believe our collective social attitudes about "fat" people are one of the last socially acceptable forms of prejudice.

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Too much food too little movement. You get older and metabolism slows down. Me 60 6 feet tall, 157 pound man. Caloric amount to keep weigh at 157 is 1750 calories a day. That is it!! Try eating 1750 calories a day on the western american fast food diet!! Not gonna happen. Have you looked a how much 1 slice of bread is? 120 calories, 1 beer 180 poof there is 300 calories ! HA! mumbo jumbo from all the diet/ gurus. Eat less move more. My running 10 miles a day and biking another 25 adds another 2000 calories to my diet and keeps weight at 157. But that is only 3750 a day. Easily done! Now keep eating over 3000 calories a day and in 6 months one gains 10 pounds easily. Sad to say but restricting calories , eating whole foods is the only way to stay thin. just my 2 cents here.
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One of the "new" things I'm doing in my current diet plan is eating an entire Haas avocado per day. Not too long ago that would have been considered diet suicide! But now as a superfood it is known to actually aid in dieting with a host of good fat adding to the all-important satiation factor. I'm losing weight and loving the avocado!
I did that for a while until I realized that a whole avocado a day was causing IBS. Avocado allergies are pretty common and manifest that way for a lot of people. Now, when I eat avocado it's a few slices up to a half of a large avocado. I can't handle a full avocado every day.
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I If you say salad to them it means potato or macaroni salad.
LOL! One of my FB contacts continuously jokes about how losing weight and getting fit is futile. She posted from a restaurant where she'd ordered a chicken salad, noting she'd ordered it that at another restaurant they'd visited, and it included very little chicken. She posted her chicken salad from the current restaurant and said, "Now THIS is what I call a chicken salad!". It had a giant deep-fried chicken breast filet set on top of iceberg lettuce.

Deep-seated eating habits aren't easy to change; for many, there are emotional issues with eating as well. There can even be family pressures. I hung out on a fitness board for a long time (myftnesspal) and the stories of bingeing, of young adults living with parents who actively sabotaged their attempts to eat healthier, etc. were really sad. I also remember from taking BC pill sin the 1970s that medication can certainly mess up your metabolism and make it harder to lose weight.

So, I try to remember there are many reasons people are overweight and not all of them are under their control.
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Oh yeah. If you're not aware of them, it must be that you're not one of the targets (lucky you!)

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Throwing in my two cents as a very fat (290 lbs, 5'8) person. For a long time, I thought an eating disorder was the sole cause of weight creep and inability to lose much. However, after reading a book on diabetes control (have PCOS and some insulin resistance, but no full-blown diabetes), changed diet to keep blood sugars between 85-100, even after meals. The weight started falling off-20 lbs. in the first month, no calorie - counting or deprivation, heck, I even enjoyed eating more! A lot of cravings, especially for carbs, just went away, and portion sizes automatically shrank. Long-term hip bursitis issues massively improved, as did energy levels. Had to move back to a high-carb diet this month while waiting for gallbladder surgery, and guess what - weight plateaued, then started creeping back up, and I'm hungry all the time again.

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That's what I found too. The more carbs I ate, I hungrier I got.
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One thing that works for me sometimes, is waiting at least 30 minutes when I start to feel hungry or get cravings - IF it has been less than 4 hours since I ate. Usually, the hunger or cravings go away as my body's metabolism adjusts and finds (I assume) energy already stored in my body.
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In one year I have lost 30 pounds (now ~ 200) and have 20 more to go. Gave up eating "white" stuff (essentilly low carb).

I have learned to love celery.
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That's what I found too. The more carbs I ate, I hungrier I got.
For me the type of carbs matter. I don't crave rice, even white. Throw some sweet, sugary, gooey carmel filled crap out there and I want more. Before I finish the first where's the second one and third. Why am I still hungry? YMMV
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In one year I have lost 30 pounds (now ~ 200) and have 20 more to go. Gave up eating "white" stuff (essentilly low carb).
There's a pretty good book out that explains very well why a "lower carb" diet makes sense for weight loss - "Always Hungry". It's not fanatical about carbs and does allow many fruits and even some whole grains (And they mean the whole grain - as in chunks) in the later stages.

It's got some pretty good recipes in it. I particularly like the Shepherd's Pie and the waffles made from garbanzo bean flour.

The doctor who wrote the book emphasizes controlling insulin levels. Insulin is called "fat fertilizer' for its tendency to force the body to store calories as fat.

As always, one's response to any diet is individual so YMMV. Do what works for you.
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It may well be that a lot of people develop thyroid problems after age 50.

And a lot blame casually blame thyroid as an excuse to continue on as they have been.

I know one or two like that who have been through the tests and were hoping that their weight was caused by a thyroid issue. Alas, their physician gave them a simple equation that is common to those of us in the IT industry. Garbage in, garbage out. That, plus a diet sheet that few will bother reading let alone following in order to change their lifestyle.

I have a SIL just like that. Complains about her thyroid. Stuffs down another two of her homemade cinnamon buns/lashings of butter, swallows her special not sold in stores vitamin pills, and then starts on the bacon or the sausages. Not a speck of fruit on the horizon other than the jam. All the while insisting that the physicians tests/conclusions were incorrect.


People need to take control of their own issues and move forward. Stop making excuses. Whether it is financial, health, career, family...whatever. My observation is that there is an ever growing trend to blame everyone else and everything else for one's problems or one's failure to get down to making the effort to improve their situation.
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Why do we get fat?

There is no doubt in my mind that overeating carbs is the chief cause of a lot of obesity. Refined carbs break down into sugar, which causes an insulin spike, which makes you feel hungrier sooner. Thus, you eat more, and your caloric intake rises as you eat more energy dense but nutrient lean foods.

I replaced a very high carb breakfast (oatmeal with raisins and granola topping with honey and a bagel with sun butter and all fruit preserves) with a low carb, high protein, high fat breakfast that sustains me much longer without getting hungry on about half the total calories.

It works. Bottom line is figuring out why you're consuming more calories than you need, and doing the best you can to solve that problem.

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But I don't advocate cutting all carbs. Fruits, veggies, root carbs and whole grains are OK, even necessary for some folks like me!
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You can't cut out all carbs, they are in fruit and veggies. So the bottom like is even if you don't eat any bread, rice, pasta, potato, etc.. you will get some regardless. And it's healthier to eat more vegetables.
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People need to take control of their own issues and move forward. Stop making excuses. Whether it is financial, health, career, family...whatever. My observation is that there is an ever growing trend to blame everyone else and everything else for one's problems or one's failure to get down to making the effort to improve their situation.
People that are trying to lose weight, but are dealing with a health condition or some other life situation that makes weight loss very difficult, shouldn't be labeled as "making excuses." Hopefully, you will never find yourself with such a condition.
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