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Old 01-01-2009, 04:47 PM   #41
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I can still remember bogying out of Boeing parking lots to Snowqualmie in time to get a fair amount of night sking before 10 pm? during the winter in the late 60's.

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In 1966 we had a big snow storm here in the DC area. We made snow forts, sledded, generally had a great time! A big snow still makes me feel like a kid because we rarely get them around here. All wonder and excitement.
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Old 01-01-2009, 09:47 PM   #42
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I have never liked the cold or the snow on the roads. However, my DH used to feel the same way as Goonie. He could not imagine living anywhere that there was not 4 seasons. The last couple of years, he has complained about winter. He was diagnosed with Depression a couple of months ago and is now on a couple of meds for it. He did not like it when my DD, her DH and especially our grandbaby moved to another state. I am also wondering if he could have SAD though, since he is much more active in the summertime. He was complaining so much about how quickly it gets dark at night and he might as well go to bed. He seems to be doing a bit better now, probably the meds.

I realize how hard it would be to up and move far away from here. We have lived here since 1986. I would like to be able to be a snowbird or at least take a few trips in the winter time.
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:27 PM   #43
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I would like to be able to be a snowbird or at least take a few trips in the winter time.
Even though I mostly adore Winter, doesn't mean I stay for every single day of it! I normally go south somewhere for a week or so in December...this last year ('08) we went to San Antonio for a week of warm weather.....low 70's....while it was cold & snowy here at home. And then every February we head to Florida for 2 or 3 weeks, to enjoy the warmth & sunshine before the IL Winter loosens it's frosty grip.

Both the December and the February trips are helpful.....the early one eases us into Winter....and the later one eases us out of Winter and into Spring. A 'cold' Florida day in February, is better than a 'warm' February day in Illinois!

Doing it like that, we get the best of both worlds.....all 4 seasons, plus a couple of breaks from the cold & snow of the frozen north, to enjoy the warmth & sunshine of the south!
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Because that's where the job was. But after ER.......no!

It's very true that if once you get detached from a paycheck, the choice of where to live really opens up.

The problem is that if you have strong family ties, it's not that easy to uproot and move. Otherwise, I would have moved from AZ to the East Coast for quick hops across the pond to the Old World that I love.
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I always used to get depressed, beginning about mid fall. I always assumed it was because I knew winter would soon follow and winter in the midwest is miserable.

Maybe it's because I experienced winter in the midwest that I hate winter so much. Enough snow to be "pretty" or useable for snow activities is usually enough to paralyze our old area. It's always the same. 2 to 6 inches of snow then drifts the county roads closed, and makes travel through town a nightmare. Any more that 6 inches is guaranteed to snarl everything for days to a week or more.

If it doesn't snow, it's cold, windy, wet, miserable. If there is any saving grace to winter it's that really cold temps. will dampen the bug population the next miserable summer.

Oddly, the midwest, in my opinion, has miserable summers as well. It's hot, humid, and miserable. So parts of spring and fall aren't too bad. Other than that, it's miserable.

I have explored the south, southwest, northwest, and even the USVI looking for weather that is rarely miserable. While you can trade one type of miserable for another in these areas (compared to the midwest) none have consistently non-miserable weather of one kind or another IMO.

I finally found Hawaii and knew I'd found the closet thing to non-miserable weather I was likely to find. (I've heard that the Cook Islands, in the southern hemisphere are even better, but I like the idea of staying within the USA.)

Clearly, no place is perfect and there are downsides to any location. But for my personal sanity and enjoyment of life, I think I've arrived. If what I was experiencing back in the midwest was SADD, then it has not recurred since moving. Not even the monsoon season we're in now can dampen my spirits very much. YMMV
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Maybe it's because I experienced winter in the midwest that I hate winter so much. Enough snow to be "pretty" or useable for snow activities is usually enough to paralyze our old area. It's always the same. 2 to 6 inches of snow then drifts the county roads closed, and makes travel through town a nightmare. Any more that 6 inches is guaranteed to snarl everything for days to a week or more.
If it doesn't snow, it's cold, windy, wet, miserable. If there is any saving grace to winter it's that really cold temps. will dampen the bug population the next miserable summer.
Oddly, the midwest, in my opinion, has miserable summers as well. It's hot, humid, and miserable. So parts of spring and fall aren't too bad. Other than that, it's miserable.
In my case it was growing up in Pittsburgh, and you can cross that one off your list too.

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I finally found Hawaii and knew I'd found the closet thing to non-miserable weather I was likely to find. (I've heard that the Cook Islands, in the southern hemisphere are even better, but I like the idea of staying within the USA.)
Clearly, no place is perfect and there are downsides to any location. But for my personal sanity and enjoyment of life, I think I've arrived. If what I was experiencing back in the midwest was SADD, then it has not recurred since moving. Not even the monsoon season we're in now can dampen my spirits very much. YMMV
Same here by virtue of the Navy's worldwide relocation-assistance program.

Unfortunately (fortunately?) human bodies appear to adapt to almost any climate-- sort of a biological version of the hedonic treadmill. My parents-in-law grew up in the Bronx and spent another 30+ years in Annapolis. They're quite accustomed to brutal winters & summers. Yet when they moved to Hawaii (after a decade of Jan/Feb visits), they spent their first year here complaining about the blazing sun and blasting heat. Their first winter here they visibly relaxed and basked in the tradewind comfort and enjoyed the cooling gentle rains.

By next summer they'd stopped complaining about the sun & "heat". By their second winter they'd started kvetching about the bitter cold and the incessant downpours. So now they're back in Annapolis, happily complaining about the brutal winters & summers again.

I hear the same story from locals. When they're growing up here they can't wait to leave the rock. After a couple Mainland winters & summers, no matter where they experience them, they can't wait to come back. And then we can't comprehend why our kids are so desperate to leave the rock.

During our tropical climate extremes, if I should happen to break out in a sweat or chicken skin, I remember my summers in Charleston SC and my winters in Holy Loch Scotland... and I smile.
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Ahh - growing up in AZ we used to wish for rain :-) Now I'm in a small town in Germany and it hasn't broken 30 degrees for quite a few days - HOWEVER - I've found that if I get outside and move around for at least 30-40 minutes, the rest of my day goes well - if I don't do that, look out - BAD MOOD.

Hawaii - what I remember telling my husband when there is that the temperature, humidity, everything was perfect....couldn't think of any other word. We were there in June - I loved the 'open' lobby of the Hale Koa - understood it worked in the 'perfect' climate place.

I personally love mountains and Switzerland is particularly awesome in that respect - I don't mind the snow - HATE ice...so I guess we'll compromise. This year due to my knee issues, we will be going towards more beachy places - snorkeling, swimming and history jaunts - fun can be had anywhere, I believe.
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Hawaii does appear to have pretty perfect weather. It is a beautiful place. However, I could never live there. It is too far from my family and family is one of the most important things to me.
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Hawaii does appear to have pretty perfect weather. It is a beautiful place. However, I could never live there. It is too far from my family and family is one of the most important things to me.
Winter temperature is not my only, or main criterion in selecting an ER location, either. There are a multitude of other factors that we have considered.
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Freezing Rain
Falling on the ice and harming essential body parts (and when, one day, osteoporosis sets in, not even daring to go out)
Dirty Snow
Frozen Crust on top of layers of half-melted snow
Yellow Snow
Multicolored Lumpy Snow (anyplace where dogs are regularly walked...what is that stuff some people feed their poor dogs, that results in bright red or yellow p**p?)
Dirty slush
Dirty slush splashed all over me by motorists
Motorists driving 3X as fast as sanity calls for, because they've got 4wheel drive, which is useless on ice

These are just a few of the reasons why we want to live in 2 places when I retire! If we can't see our way clear to living in 2 places, we'll look for one place, that is sunny, but not too awfully hot.

(In our case there is very little family to consider...indeed, it could actually improve the small number of family ties, if certain persons learn we have someplace warm to stay in the winter).

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These are just a few of the reasons why we want to live in 2 places when I retire! If we can't see our way clear to living in 2 places, we'll look for one place, that is sunny, but not too awfully hot.

A lot of people want two places because they assume Florida is too hot in the summer . It is hot but no hotter than a lot of the US . They problem is it is hotter for a longer period so by August & September I need to travel up North . The rest of the time I am content to float in the pool or at the beach . Summer is Florida is great in that it's less crowded and people get into a beach mentality .
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We saw a wonderful example of that a couple of years ago. We had to drive about 15 miles away, at about 5am, on the Interstate. It had snowed a little, and had also sleeted just a tad, during the night. We were fortunate to follow an IDOT salt truck down the ramp onto the Interstate, and followed him at a safe distance, at 45mph, the entire way. About 5 miles from our destination some way-to-cool for his own good, brave soul brain-dead moron in a 4-wheel drive SUV passed us like we were parked. Our lane (right-hand of course) was patchy snow and slush, with an occasional icy patch, but we also had a fresh layer of salt for added traction. The left lane was 100% snow packed and icy.

About a mile before our exit, we could see flashing lights ahead....and some taillights in the ditch. Seems the moron's luck ran out.....his 4-wheel drive SUV had skidded on the ice and buried his @ss in the ditch about 50' from the roadway. Luckily the state police headquarters is only a mile or 2 away, and they have a constant presence on that stretch of road, so they were 'johnny on the spot'. Although the idiot didn't total his SUV, or kill or seriously injure anyone, I'm quite sure his wallet took a major hit! The state police around here normally issue tickets for those who prefer to drive in the ditches...they usually refer to it as 'driving too fast for conditions' and/or 'improper lane usage'...and they very seldom alter that procedure.

Plus, then the guy gets to pay a good chunk of change for a tow truck to come drag his sorry butt out of the ditch. Nice weather, during normal business hours is about $75.....nasty, cold, foul weather before or after normal hours starts around $125 and goes up from there...the busier they are, the higher the price...and the longer the wait.

These days, I won't drive in those conditions! If I need to be in another town to leave on a trip, and the weather is supposed to turn to cr*p, I get a hotel room in that town before the weather gets ugly. That way, the next morning I only have a mile or less to navigate to get to the travel company.....or they have a mile or less to come to get me!
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SAD & Dec 2008

I think I've figured out why my SAD was so bad in December. There were a lot of cloudy days (which is normal), but until two days ago there was no snow cover.

Even on cloudy days the snow can reflect quite a bit of light; this year it was just brown.
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