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Allied Capital (ALD)
Time for an embarrassing story. I will occasionally research a stock in the wee hours and then send myself an email reminder to buy.
One morning I read one of those emails: "buy ALD." So, I did. And then I realized that I had sent myself that particular email about 2 years earlier. Oops. Well, it promptly went up about 10%, so that eased my angst a bit, and the dividend is HUGE, but in the end I wasn't comfortable with the investment, so I sold it for a short-term gain. Now, I'm interested in reexamining the company in more depth. Looks pretty good on a fundamental basis, management, and historical performance is great (with reinvested dividends, of course). But, I suspect this is a pretty economically sensitive sector (sort of small scale private equity), so I plan to wait for the next business cycle. Anybody want to talk me out of waiting? FWIW, ACAS is a similar stock.
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
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Sure, go for it man. You only live once, what is ER for if not gambling and Just Do It.
(I get the same old TGIF feeling as ever, even after 20 years of ER.) Ha
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Drinking already, Ha?
![]() I thought you might like these guys. They're vulture capitalists, like you.
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I've looked at ALD and almost pulled the trigger when it hit $27 since I thought I'd like to have the diversification of two BDC's instead of just one, but I like ACAS better because they cover a lot more (90% or so) of their dividend with interest/fee/management fee earnings (i.e. recurring earnings). ALD only covers about 50% of their dividend with ordinary recurring earnings -- the rest comes from those good years when they have capital gains. That said, from what I've seen, ALD's dividend should be secure for at least a couple more years as they have a lot of stockpiled capital gains (enough to cover 50% of the dividends for the next couple years. Of course ALD has a 50 year history of success and ACAS has 13 years (I think). That's the short version anyway . . . |
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Yup, dividends for both look solid and growing (at least as far back as Yahoo's history goes).
ACAS does look a bit better on paper, but I really need to dig into these guys a bit more. Cost of capital seems like it just went through the roof for them (10%-ish for ALD), and I don't have a feel for whether they can sustain deal flow in the current environment. Time to read some SEC filings and play "armchair analyst"....
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Well, I took a short-cut and read a couple of analysts' research papers. I'm going to pass on ALD. Dividend looks solid, but it looks like equity deal flow has slowed, access to capital is tighter, and they're fully valued at the current price. Might look at them again if they get whacked.
FWIW, Morningstar says buy 'em when they hit $20 (currently at $30).
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I just read an article about ALD in Better Investing, It was under the heading undervalued stock. I have put them on my watch list now I am going to have to add ACAS too. I new to this ER planning.
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ALD is like Berkshire - a stock I've looked at periodically on and off for over twenty years - and never bought.
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I have owned ALD for a few years now and as an income generating stock it has done very well for me and I plan on continuing to hold it for the forseeable future. It is important to understand that there are a lot of people who absolutely hate ALD, it is frequently attacked and heavily shorted and as a result it can be very volitile. That also provides regular buying opportunities, however, like we just saw recently.
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Interesting. 10% of the float is short. You'd really have to hate a stock to short it while paying a 9% dividend. I wonder if there will be a lot of covering before the next ex-div date.
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Even if you don't own it, this is an intersting stock to follow. I don't know any other that has this much constant controvery surrounding it...especially without anything really material ever seeming to happen. |
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I went a head and bought some ALD yesterday. I am looking forward to the 8.9% yield I will get.
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8/17 ALD = 29.58
11/9 ALD = 22.50 (approx) I had been waiting for 26 back during the summer . . . it closed at 28.27 on Tuesday . . . released earnings on Wed . . . obviously not what people wanted in this market as it's down 20% in two days. They actually captured a lot of gains but also wrote down a lot of investments. I went ahead and bought some this morning. |
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Anyone buying now? Why or why not?
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Why do you say "already." Ha posted at 3:31 PM, well after cocktail hour begins. What are you waiting for?
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ALD is one of those black boxes that some Buffett-style investors hate. Based just on the numbers and their history, they look pretty tasty at their current price, but this one requires some faith in management. Do you have faith?
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I've menitioned the M* Dividend Newsletter in the past. Here is his write up on Allied Capital. The editor bought ALD about month after writing this up at 22.70. I sold Jan 22.50 puts last week. I hope it can exercise them. Sorry for the formating but it is excerpted from the newsletter. I have not included the financial information associated with the write up since you can find this out on your own favorite financial website. Allied Capital (ALD) It’s about time I got around to reviewing this long-term dividend champion. Allied Capital hasn’t often traded in the neighborhood of a buyable price, but it’s also a surprisingly volatile stock. If history is any guide, buying opportunities could emerge at any time, though long-term holders also have to be prepared for unexpected short-term downward spikes. What hasn’t been volatile is Allied’s dividend stream. The firm’s been paying quarterly dividends continually since 1963, with not a single reduction. (It also pays out special dividends every so often.) While dividend growth hasn’t been especially impressive of late (just 3.8% over the past five years), this summer’s credit crunch and the departure of competing middlemarket financiers stands to accelerate Allied’s future growth potential. Allied has a way of attracting more than its fair share of controversy. It’s a favorite of short sellers who take issue with the firm’s valuation methods, and negative headlines with little or no basis in fact pop up every so often. But the firm’s dividend history doesn’t lie. Even if we’re not fans of some of Allied’s corporate-governance practices, the fact that insiders own some $450 million worth of stock—and collect nearly $40 million in dividend payments annually— suggests that their long-term interests are clearly aligned with the firm’s 190,000 shareholders. Morningstar’s Take Allied Capital has a history of delivering solid returns on equity and consistent dividend growth to shareholders. It invests in small- to middle-market companies, providing retail investors an opportunity to participate in private equity. Allied’s successful investment record has allowed it to produce a return on equity of about 15% annually over the past 10 years. The firm has a disciplined philosophy that targets investments in companies with strong free cash flow and high returns on invested capital. Today, it faces increased competition for new investments as capital pours into the private-equity market. This provides challenges as the firm sources new ideas, but we believe that by main- taining its discipline, Allied can continue to produce returns in excess of its cost of capital. One of the largest feathers in Allied’s cap is that it has maintained or increased its regular dividend for more than 40 years in a row. The dividend currently yields more than 8%. The total return Allied has generated for shareholders has averaged 17.5% annually from 1996 to 2006, compared with only 8.4% for the S&P 500 over the same period. The two main risks we see associated with Allied are its dependence on the capital markets and the valuation of the companies in which it invests. Without continued access to equity capital at a premium to book value, Allied would see its dividend growth impaired. An active market does not exist for many of the companies in which Allied invests. Therefore, Allied must rely on valuing these companies on the basis of expected cash flows, comparisons with similar publicly traded firms, or other metrics, making valuation a more subjective task in comparison with valuing large public companies. In our opinion, Allied Capital is a premier businessdevelopment company. While investors should not expect its stock price to appreciate rapidly, its large and growing dividend should produce a strong total return. We believe the shares are a prudent investment for those looking for high current income or exposure to the private-equity marketplace. |
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M* on ALD part 2
here is part 2 of the write (14,000 character limit)
Is It Safe? Because Allied chooses to be taxed as a regulated investment company, it is not taxed at the corporate level. Instead, Allied is obliged to pay out at least 95% of taxable income as dividends within two years of the date it is earned. Because the recognition of investment gains is lumpy, earnings from year to year are rarely indicative of the firm’s underlying cash generation. We believe Allied’s current dividend rate is well supported by cash flow and a strong balance sheet. Debt/equity is about 67%, well below the regulatory cap of 100% for business-development companies. This provides ample liquidity to continue funding current dividend payments. In addition, Allied has two years’ worth of unrecognized investment gains with which to fund dividend payments in the event of a downturn. Will It Grow? Allied believes its record as a successful long-term investor and partner of management teams gives it an advantage in sourcing new investments. Return on equity has averaged 15% since a reorganization in 1997. We expect return on equity to average about the same amount in the future, though it is likely to be highly variable depending on the timing of periodic investment sales. Because Allied pays out the majority of its earnings, it depends on the capital markets to finance growth. Moreover, to finance dividend growth, the new equity must be issued at a premium to book value. To date, however, access to capital has not been a problem. Allied has completed more than 40 equity issuances since 1997, always at a premium to book value. As long as the firm continues to deliver strong returns on equity, its access to capital is likely to persist. Our analysis is based on future dividend growth of 2.5% annually, though a longer view of Allied’s record (8% average dividend growth over the past decade) suggests meaningfully faster growth is possible. What’s the Return? At our Dividend Buy price of $28.90, Allied shares would offer a current yield of 9.0% and a total return prospect of 11.5% or more. Tax Considerations Because Allied Capital is a regulated investment company rather than a traditional tax-paying corporation, the portion of the dividend attributed to Allied’s interest income is subject to ordinary income tax rates rather than the qualified maximum federal tax rate on dividends of 15%. However, a portion of Allied’s annual dividend payments are often characterized as long-term capital gains (and taxed at lower rates) or returns of capital, which reduce the investor’s taxable cost basis and don’t stand to be taxed unless and until shares are sold. oe |
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