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Old 09-19-2008, 09:35 AM   #301
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HBAN is now looking like one of the better bank stock buys. Next resistance currently a hair under $18. JMO
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Someone with balls is going to make a boatload of cash on financials noone wants to buy........maybe Art G..........
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:52 AM   #303
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I dunno yet. There are so many unfair to measure intangibles right now.
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Old 09-19-2008, 11:47 AM   #304
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Some nice sucker sold me USB shares on July 18 (the bottom for the financials) for 27.50, currently trading 2 months later for 41.25 almost a 50% gain in two months. Pretty crazy for company that has been regularly paying dividends since 1865...
Of course another idiot (that would be me) sold BAC for 27.50 last month, it traded at 38.50 pre market.
It's always nice to see the retail investors good guys win one for a change.

I should point out that Intel dropped below $18/share briefly yesterday, a 52-week low from which they've bounced back up over 9% in 24 hours.
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Old 09-19-2008, 11:47 AM   #305
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Someone with balls is going to make a boatload of cash on financials noone wants to buy........maybe Art G..........

if i had a real set of brass ones i would have bet my play/learn tech analysis money all on Oct 08 calls for the indexes and financials including buying on margin.

since i don't i had to settle for the ultra ETF's and some regular GS stock
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:04 PM   #306
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I can't say that I like how this turned out but I did pick up some KRE and BAC for a sweet price.
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:14 PM   #307
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if you want some entertainment check out www.thehousingbubbleblog.com

people there went short earlier in the week or bought short ETF's and got spanked. when i went long on wednesday i checked the put/call ratio and it hit 1.47 on the 15th and started to drop.

i guess a few smart souls remembered there is options expiration today and decided to close out their puts even though the TV said to buy Guns and Ammo. The US Government has a long history of pulling stunts like this and the next day people always go on CNBC and complain how the US Government is against them, shorts etc.
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Old 09-19-2008, 02:45 PM   #308
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What I can't understand is why didn't KBE or KRE or VFH (Vanguard Financials ETF) get absolutely crushed at anytime this week? I was waiting for a true fire sale.

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Old 09-19-2008, 02:58 PM   #309
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my guess is the because the volume is low and it's not actively traded

VFH is at just under 900,000 shares today. XLF is at 376,000,000 and will probably end the day at 400,000,000 million shares traded

but thanks for the idea for next time the market tanks since i don't think it's a bottom. watch a quiet ETF, buy at the low end and watch it shoot up.
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Ahhh. Pesky volume. Gets me every time. But, I'd think, since the volume was above average it'd drive the price down sometime, or at least make it "fairer" priced. And with all the doom and gloom, I'd assume fairly valued means less than the start. Much less than the start of the week.

And then the gov't comes in and takes away all the risk.

The more I watch Mr. Market, the less I understand. Still sticking with indexes.

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What I can't understand is why didn't KBE or KRE or VFH (Vanguard Financials ETF) get absolutely crushed at anytime this week? I was waiting for a true fire sale.

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KBE is capitalization-weighted, so it's price movement is dominated by the larger, less volatile (in a relative sense) banks (JPM, WFC, BAC, USB, etc) and it contains no investment banks (eg GS, MS, etc).
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Old 09-19-2008, 03:51 PM   #312
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WB went from 9 to 23 in 2 days. Anyone trade that range? I chicken out for 1000 shares.
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Old 09-27-2008, 05:41 AM   #313
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My non-retirement stuff includes a small stock portfolio where the bank holdings are. I figured in 30 years they would have to recover. I am in no rush. In fact, if I had cash, I would probably be buying more.

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WB went from 9 to 23 in 2 days. Anyone trade that range? I chicken out for 1000 shares.
I wanted to THEN....looks like we have a second chance
BUT things aren't quite the same, huh?

No guts, NO glory......

Now where did I put that crystal ball......
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Cramer is calling the 4 banks that will survive the Fortress 4. Chase, BofA, Wells Fargo and I think Citi is the last one. everyone else is at risk and the smaller ones aren't going to get bailed out
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I would be a cautious buyer only

My WFC was a good plan, but my WaMu was not. Keep in mind that the wolves will let the banks they want to buy swing in the wind and pick up the pieces later. Might want to wait a week or more to see which way things are going in mid-October.
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FDIC is not playing games either

they have bids on all the problem banks way in advance so when they move in everything is ready
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US Bank is the last of the fortress 4, not Citi.

Citi is likely to be shrinking its balance sheet, not expanding it.

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thx, i thought citi was having a lot of problems and wasn't sure why it would be in that list
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WB went from 9 to 23 in 2 days. Anyone trade that range? I chicken out for 1000 shares.
Bought 300 WB in the 9.70 range on 9/16, sold 100 @18.89 on 9/19, sold remaining 200 @ 15.81 on 9/22, plus wrote two sept 22.5 calls on the open on Sept 19th for 2.20 (and closed them out for .15). So, I was very pleased with that one (but should have sold the stock on open vs writing the calls). Bought 400 WB @ 8.93 on Friday afternoon, still holding it...this trade isn't looking so hot as the stock finished after hours at 8.50 and news reports over the weekend imply possible "take over" at much lower numbers. (Proper term is take under, I guess.)

So, given the amounts ($) above, just play time compared to what else is happening to my portfolio. As I mentioned in another post, it is sort of like winning at poker while on my cruise on the titanic.
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