GE-Let's Hope This is the Last Shoe to Fall

haha · 10-01-2008, 02:30 PM

Buffett buys $3b GE preferred at 10% yield. And, GE to make common stock offering.

Trickle, trickle, trickle...

Buffett to buy $3B of GE preferred stock: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

FUEGO · 10-01-2008, 02:45 PM

I wish we could get terms like that on the public market. 10% yield on preferred for a good blue chip company and warrants to buy stock at ~10% off the asking price today. And that is on a stock that yields 5.5% dividends at the warrant exercise price.

I think the preferred and warrants he received from Goldman Sachs were similarly juicy. Is this how Buffett can deliver outsized returns beyond what us Main Street individual investors can obtain? Niiiice...

haha · 10-01-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FUEGO

I wish we could get terms like that on the public market. 10% yield on preferred for a good blue chip company and warrants to buy stock at ~10% off the asking price today. And that is on a stock that yields 5.5% dividends at the warrant exercise price.

I think the preferred and warrants he received from Goldman Sachs were similarly juicy. Is this how Buffett can deliver outsized returns beyond what us Main Street individual investors can obtain? Niiiice...

It must help.

Hamlet · 10-01-2008, 03:17 PM

There is an advantage to being considered the smartest investor around when times are tough.

I'm sure GE did this mainly to make it easier to raise the other capital.

People will be more likely to sign up for the stock offering with the Buffett stamp of approval.

Of course, his investment is a lot different than the deal the new shareholders get.

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Originally Posted by FUEGO

I wish we could get terms like that on the public market. 10% yield on preferred for a good blue chip company and warrants to buy stock at ~10% off the asking price today. And that is on a stock that yields 5.5% dividends at the warrant exercise price.

I think the preferred and warrants he received from Goldman Sachs were similarly juicy. Is this how Buffett can deliver outsized returns beyond what us Main Street individual investors can obtain? Niiiice...

FinanceDude · 10-01-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamlet

There is an advantage to being considered the smartest investor around when times are tough.

I'm sure GE did this mainly to make it easier to raise the other capital.

People will be more likely to sign up for the stock offering with the Buffett stamp of approval.

Of course, his investment is a lot different than the deal the new shareholders get.

Even Warren himself has said: "I have many business associates out helping me look for deals, most of which never get considered"..........translation (Unless I can make a killing quickly)

flatrock · 10-01-2008, 05:07 PM

Goldman was at 125 when Buffet bought. Today it's at 134. It has been as high as 138. I hope his purchase of GE stock has a similar effect.

wildcat · 10-01-2008, 09:47 PM

A new Buffet book is going to be released next week. It will be the 1st one that he has a say in the material. From what was described in a preview, he supposedly described the scenario playing out a year or so before it happened and went down the list of those that would likely be affected. Although he has a ton of capital and connections, the dude is pretty freaking smart too.

copyright1997reloaded · 10-01-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by flatrock

Goldman was at 125 when Buffet bought. Today it's at 134. It has been as high as 138. I hope his purchase of GE stock has a similar effect.

I hope you are right (as I own the stock). However, given that GE had to pay 10% (with a minimum 3 years until they can call it) is a whole-bunch-of-basis-points above Treasuries. What does this say about other, less robust borrowers and their ability to get credit?

thefed · 10-08-2008, 12:59 PM

this seems like an opportune time to buy GE right now...it's at a 5 yr low....high divs....

how can one get in on the stock offering? or is it best to just buy the stock thru a broker?

thefed · 10-08-2008, 10:50 PM

I really cant believe (well I CAN believe given the situation) that GE - such a diverse company, although very exposed to the financial side of things - is selling at 20/share. To me this is a very opportune time to own a portion of this company with minimal downside risk....if for nothing other than the Div's

Uncle Drew · 10-08-2008, 11:04 PM

I made a couple purchases of GE yesterday and today. I don't think it's a stock that is going to bounce back really fast, but rather a slow and steady rise as things get sorted out.

harley · 10-08-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Drew

I made a couple purchases of GE yesterday and today. I don't think it's a stock that is going to bounce back really fast, but rather a slow and steady rise as things get sorted out.

I'm with you. Bought a couple $K for my gambling account today. I'll check it again in 10 years or so. Let's see, 7%/yr *10....maybe it will be at $40! Excellent! Plus dividends.

FinanceDude · 10-09-2008, 03:07 PM

I have to honestly say I didn' think GE would be under $20 a share, so I bought some for myself and clients. I think a 5-7 year double sounds good, plus the high dividend is an extra treat.........

Running_Man · 10-09-2008, 03:53 PM

Analysts announced today they are now expecting GE to announce it will be cutting it's dividend tomorrow.

soupcxan · 10-09-2008, 03:59 PM

GS's trailing price to earnings ratio is six. That's six-point-zero. Amazing. And GE is at 8 and change.

FIRE'd@51 · 10-09-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Running_Man

Analysts announced today they are now expecting GE to announce it will be cutting it's dividend tomorrow.

Which analysts? Jeff Immelt said a couple of weeks ago that the dividend was safe through 2009. I think it's likely the dividend won't be increased, which is a big deal for GE, but a cut would cause Immelt to lose all credibility.

73ss454 · 10-09-2008, 06:51 PM

I think Immelt is like Bush, about the same approval rating. Wasn't GE in the 60's when he took over. Ya think he has any credibility at this point.

Tomorrow they announce earnings, should be interesting. If they bomb the market will follow suit.

thefed · 10-09-2008, 06:57 PM

i got more today around 19, but expect it to keep dropping a bit....might see 16 at this rate...that's my next limit order

FIRE'd@51 · 10-09-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thefed

i got more today around 19, but expect it to keep dropping a bit....might see 16 at this rate...that's my next limit order

Have you considered a targeted buy by selling puts? With the market volatility as high as it is today (VIX = 63%), the premiums are pretty fat. You can sell the Jan 17.5 put for about 2.50. Of course, if the stock rallies from here you won't own it, but you will still get about a 13% return (2.5 / 19) in 3 months. If GE is below 17.5 at the January expiration, you will own the stock at 15 (17.50 - 2.50).

soupcxan · 10-09-2008, 09:24 PM

I'm more interested to see if they cut the dividend tomorrow.

10-01-2008, 02:30 PM	#1
haha Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,815	GE-Let's Hope This is the Last Shoe to Fall Buffett buys $3b GE preferred at 10% yield. And, GE to make common stock offering. Trickle, trickle, trickle... Buffett to buy $3B of GE preferred stock: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance __________________ "Show 'em just enough to win the turkey."- Former KY Governor Bert Combs

10-01-2008, 05:07 PM	#6
flatrock Dryer sheet wannabe Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 14	Buffet/GE Goldman was at 125 when Buffet bought. Today it's at 134. It has been as high as 138. I hope his purchase of GE stock has a similar effect.

10-01-2008, 09:47 PM	#7
wildcat Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,906	A new Buffet book is going to be released next week. It will be the 1st one that he has a say in the material. From what was described in a preview, he supposedly described the scenario playing out a year or so before it happened and went down the list of those that would likely be affected. Although he has a ton of capital and connections, the dude is pretty freaking smart too. __________________ "These walls are kind of funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, gets so you depend on them"

10-09-2008, 03:07 PM	#13
FinanceDude Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,727	I have to honestly say I didn' think GE would be under $20 a share, so I bought some for myself and clients. I think a 5-7 year double sounds good, plus the high dividend is an extra treat......... __________________ Consult with your own advisor or representative. My thoughts should not be construed as investment advice. Past performance is no guarantee of future results (love that one).......:)

10-09-2008, 03:53 PM	#14
Running_Man Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 395	Analysts announced today they are now expecting GE to announce it will be cutting it's dividend tomorrow. __________________ There is nothing new in Wall Street. There can't be because speculation is as old as the hills. Whatever happens in the stock market today has happened before and will happen again.

10-01-2008, 02:45 PM	#2
FUEGO Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 783	I wish we could get terms like that on the public market. 10% yield on preferred for a good blue chip company and warrants to buy stock at ~10% off the asking price today. And that is on a stock that yields 5.5% dividends at the warrant exercise price. I think the preferred and warrants he received from Goldman Sachs were similarly juicy. Is this how Buffett can deliver outsized returns beyond what us Main Street individual investors can obtain? Niiiice...

10-08-2008, 12:59 PM	#9
thefed Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,472	this seems like an opportune time to buy GE right now...it's at a 5 yr low....high divs.... how can one get in on the stock offering? or is it best to just buy the stock thru a broker?

10-08-2008, 10:50 PM	#10
thefed Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,472	I really cant believe (well I CAN believe given the situation) that GE - such a diverse company, although very exposed to the financial side of things - is selling at 20/share. To me this is a very opportune time to own a portion of this company with minimal downside risk....if for nothing other than the Div's

10-08-2008, 11:04 PM	#11
Uncle Drew Dryer sheet aficionado Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 26	I made a couple purchases of GE yesterday and today. I don't think it's a stock that is going to bounce back really fast, but rather a slow and steady rise as things get sorted out.

10-09-2008, 03:59 PM	#15
soupcxan Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 780	GS's trailing price to earnings ratio is six. That's six-point-zero. Amazing. And GE is at 8 and change.

10-09-2008, 06:51 PM	#17
73ss454 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,884	I think Immelt is like Bush, about the same approval rating. Wasn't GE in the 60's when he took over. Ya think he has any credibility at this point. Tomorrow they announce earnings, should be interesting. If they bomb the market will follow suit.

10-09-2008, 06:57 PM	#18
thefed Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,472	i got more today around 19, but expect it to keep dropping a bit....might see 16 at this rate...that's my next limit order

10-09-2008, 09:24 PM	#20
soupcxan Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 780	I'm more interested to see if they cut the dividend tomorrow.

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