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Old 11-28-2015, 05:08 AM   #1
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Good back tester that includes rebalancing

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I'm "revamping" my investement policy a little. I basically follow an "Ivy league" type layout. 40% stock, 40% bond, 20% "alternatives" (REits, mReit, BDC, Commod, etc.) With stocks, I tilt toward value / small cap. And so I would like to find out how big of a difference it makes in separating large from small company and rebalancing when they get out of whack, vs. just investing in "total stock" and adding a small cap value tilt. In case that's still not clear, I'd need a back test or other means to determine if there's any "alpha" in having for example, Large cap fund + small cap value fund, rebalancing to keep the percentages where I put them, instead of a total stock market fund with a small SC value fund to tilt it.

If I decide to go with Total market, of course I'd just go with vanguard total stock, but if break it up, whcih of Vanguard's funds would be best suited to represent a plain vanilla US LC fund?

(PS, I will also have International, emerging market, etc.)
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Old 11-28-2015, 06:58 AM   #2
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Something like VOO?
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Old 11-28-2015, 07:29 AM   #3
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I use vanguard total stock, some mid cap and very little international. I just started using the Vanguard municipal bond ETF.......we'll see what happens. I look at 5 and 10 year average returns.........they've worked best for me over the years. Good Luck
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Portfolio Charts | a picture is worth a thousand calculations might have want you're looking for, hotwired. They even have some pre-mixed portfolios in the mix, including ivy league and some with small/value tilts. I believe the calculator rebalances automatically.
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Something like this?

https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com
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Old 11-28-2015, 09:06 AM   #6
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I'd need a back test or other means to determine if there's any "alpha" in having for example, Large cap fund + small cap value fund, rebalancing to keep the percentages where I put them, instead of a total stock market fund with a small SC value fund to tilt it.
Short answer: Total stock is a large cap fund and there will be no significant difference between your two strategies.

More detail:

The closest tool to what you are asking I think would be simba's backtesting spreadsheet: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Simb...ng_spreadsheet . But I don't think this will be helpful because

(1) for all intensive purposes Total Stock is a large cap fund. Just plot total stock and any large cap index (not value based) on morningstar or other tool and you'll see 99% correlations.

(2) Due to point 1, the effect size from rebalancing is going to be tiny and Simba's spreadsheet (and similar tools) won't have enough data to answer your question with any reliability. I think in Simba's spreadsheet the data only goes back to the 70s. Plus there are only a few funds to listed to make a portfolio.

(3) Large cap funds (as opposed to total stock) tend to have (small) negative size loadings which would probably eat into any miniscule "alpha" you might generate from rebalancing.
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