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Old 01-01-2019, 12:17 PM   #1101
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I had a problem buying DIA on 11/19/2018 that I posted about. I gave up. Maybe you're trying to by an odd security with a similar problem.

Buying in the middle of the trading day helps sometimes but it didn't help with DIA.

two different widely traded index ETF's, all times of the trading day
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:22 PM   #1102
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:25 PM   #1104
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Ouch!

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BOHO - nunnun CUML $ delta -$198,267


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From a Google search I see that the Investopedia "security not trading" problem and other problems has been mentioned by various groups of players for over 10 years. One group of players moved over to https://www.marketwatch.com/game.

Easysurfer: did you look at the marketwatch contest when you were looking for a substitute for Simvest?
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From a Google search I see that the Investopedia "security not trading" problem and other problems has been mentioned by various groups of players for over 10 years. One group of players moved over to https://www.marketwatch.com/game.

Easysurfer: did you look at the marketwatch contest when you were looking for a substitute for Simvest?
Not sure 100%, but I think I looked and at the time marketwatch may have been down.

Sounds like you are thinking of throwing in the towel at Investopedia? Reason I ask is checking the standings, you are currently in 31st place out of 38 (I'm cooking in position #8). I really don't think it's the game causing the standings. Just saying ... .

Does marketwatch look friendly and easy to use? What I do remember is looking at a few that didn't seem good or couldn't get access too, then found Investopeda. If folks are interested in a Beat Boho III contest, I'm open to the idea as I'm almost as passive an investor as nunnun.
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Sounds like you are thinking of throwing in the towel at Investopedia?
No way. There will be a trade deal that sends industrials soaring. Or not, but either way I don't think the bug affected me much and I'm sure others want to continue. Some players spent significant time trading for the contest and haven't been affected by any bugs and just want to compare their results with the S&P. No reason to lock them out of the contest after all this time. I don't think we should start III until II is done but I'm in if someone does.

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I haven't seen it. Just the page I linked to.
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No way. There will be a trade deal that sends industrials soaring. Or not, but either way I don't think the bug affected me much and I'm sure others want to continue. Some players spent significant time trading for the contest and haven't been affected by any bugs and just want to compare their results with the S&P. No reason to lock them out of the contest after all this time. I don't think we should start III until II is done but I'm in if someone does.



I haven't seen it. Just the page I linked to.
Yeah. Agree about not wanting to end this game early. I am open to using another simulator if we find one that works better and there is an interest in a Beat Boho III.

There's still time (over a year) before this contest ends. Perhaps by that time a few folks may have checked out Marketwatch to get a feel if that is worth going to in the future .

Always good to have options as longs as the options aren't too cumbersome.
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No way. There will be a trade deal that sends industrials soaring. Or not, ....
Do you really think that the market hasn't already factored "trade deals" into the price of industrials? Or that they have it wrong and you have it right?

If you were any good at all in knowing better than the market what is going to happen, you'd at least be beating nunnun. But you aren't, are you?

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Do you really think that the market hasn't already factored "trade deals" into the price of industrials? Or that they have it wrong and you have it right?
I feel like the trade issue turned people into swing traders. People believed there will be a trade deal eventually and most experts thought it was a buyers market but people sold anyway, while I turned into an index investor during this period.
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Sounds like you are thinking of throwing in the towel at Investopedia?
I'm also lagging in the standings, but that's not the reason I've "had it" with Investopedia. It's because there are bugs that make the results suspect. We know of two cases, kite and fermion, where they're much higher in standings than they should be only because of bugs in the simulator. Fermion's bug is detectable (with effort), but the other bug, where twice the number of equity shares is credited seems harder to detect. I've called attention to these bugs on the feedback channel, but have been ignored. I get it...I mean, they're not making money off of us, so why support us. But I'm much less interested now that it's proven so buggy.



I've got a spreadsheet to audit my own account, and there are two problems. First, there is a mysterious smallish discrepancy (not in my favor). And second I got "stuck" with an issue that quit trading, and there's nothing I can do with it. It was a buyout, so I should have made money on it, but right now, it's just locked-up the funds that I put into that stock. Annoying, but neither is a showstopper. But imagine if you put a large percent of your wad into a stock that quit trading...you'd be out of the game.
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I'm also lagging in the standings, but that's not the reason I've "had it" with Investopedia. It's because there are bugs that make the results suspect. We know of two cases, kite and fermion, where they're much higher in standings than they should be only because of bugs in the simulator. Fermion's bug is detectable (with effort), but the other bug, where twice the number of equity shares is credited seems harder to detect. I've called attention to these bugs on the feedback channel, but have been ignored. I get it...I mean, they're not making money off of us, so why support us. But I'm much less interested now that it's proven so buggy.

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Your case is well taken. I just like razzing Boho .

If there is interest for a Boho III contest, perhaps some folks would like to use the Marketwatch (or another) contest a bit to make sure no bugs are encountered there. Otherwise, we'd be in a similar situation. ... Just a thought.

Or, if folks prefer to wing it and go by trial and error, that's okay too. Fine by me .
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I think its just making up numbers now.
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Your case is well taken. I just like razzing Boho .

If there is interest for a Boho III contest, perhaps some folks would like to use the Marketwatch (or another) contest a bit to make sure no bugs are encountered there. Otherwise, we'd be in a similar situation. ... Just a thought.

Or, if folks prefer to wing it and go by trial and error, that's okay too. Fine by me .
I'll probably make myself part of the exploratory committee and check it out. Then when it's decided it's time I can give a very brief tutorial and the right links if necessary so people don't get turned off by something being confusing. If we wait for questions they may never come and people may just not join.
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I'll probably make myself part of the exploratory committee and check it out. Then when it's decided it's time I can give a very brief tutorial and the right links if necessary so people don't get turned off by something being confusing. If we wait for questions they may never come and people may just not join.
Definitely don't want something confusing or inaccurate. A suggestion might be when exploring, make some trades like the ones having issues on Investopedia to see if those type of trades work properly.
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I'll probably make myself part of the exploratory committee and check it out. Then when it's decided it's time I can give a very brief tutorial and the right links if necessary so people don't get turned off by something being confusing. If we wait for questions they may never come and people may just not join.
If you set something up, give me a shout ill help test it.
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I'm still going to check it out.

In other news, I think I'm now closer to nunnun than before I made the switch to industrial index funds. I was starting to wonder whether it would really work but with recent promising news about a trade deal I started gaining much faster than nunnun, so when there's an actual deal I'd expect that to continue with an even bigger jump. It's not seen in my rank though.
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One year maximum for Marketwatch contests. Fine with me, and there's really no other alternative that I know of because of bugs in the others we've tried. I'm still in the Investopedia contest until it ends but we could set up a Marketwatch contest whenever. We have to decide how to configure it for a test. I didn't start one yet.
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Since my big industrials buy something like two months ago, my rough estimate is that Nunnun's lead over me decreased at a rate of over 3% per year. I think it's been less than two months so maybe more than 3%. Now's a reasonable time to cash in and get a more neutral portfolio, like nunnun's, and claim this as a successful move. It's also reasonable to wait for after the State of the Union, or to wait for the end of the shut down, or to wait for a deal with China (I lost track on the status of that). With Cohen implicating Trump, I'm getting anxious.
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When I read your comments on the state of the world and how that might or might not affect your investment actions, I get the feeling it's "first-level thinking". Meaning, it's not unique or different. It's kind of "logical", meaning, the average investor might be thinking the same thing. Meaning, what? Average results?


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