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Old 01-29-2013, 10:40 AM   #61
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You'd think they recently lost one of the greatest business visionaries and "idea people" that capitalism ever had...
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:48 AM   #62
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Andre didn't miss, he lucked out. Today he is getting another chance at an even better price!
Nah, I missed out, slightly. Ended up buying at the next day's open, of $451.81. Since then, I think it dropped as low as $435 or so, but I just looked, and now it's back to around $458-459.

But, I'm not going to quibble over a few bucks here and there. And I did that purchase, mainly to rebalance my Scottrade account a bit. And if it gets out of balance again, I'll buy or sell a few shares, as needed.
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You'd think they recently lost one of the greatest business visionaries and "idea people" that capitalism ever had...
And that person didn't have any ideas written down or left as a legacy. No ideas and prototypes in the pipeline, no ideas passed along to head engineers and his key managers.....
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Watching Apple the last 20 to 25 years has been interesting. I recently sold out of my position. The rise of Apple has been correlated to the rise in social media (i.e., put a computer in everyone's hands, and make it smaller and smaller every year). Right now I think they may be vulnerable to competition that does the same for cheaper prices. The continued "winner" if you will, may be the company that buys out other companies to enhance the social experience or make it cheaper for us.
Have been trying to nail down the "functional" advantage of an Apple TV. What can they do to entice people to pay the price? What new functionality can they provide that is different from today and not already available in one form or another?
I consider Apple to be a "front end" to "customer" experience. As long as the back end of most businesses require the number crunching capability of IBM and Microsoft type applications, I don't see Apple invading that particular territory except of course as a "client server" (which is already available).
China may be a great area for growth but how long before the mimics take over (they already have started).

Anyone's guess on what or who Apple needs to consider buying or merging with to enhance their dominance? Netflix? Amazon? Healthcare?
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:20 AM   #65
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Have been trying to nail down the "functional" advantage of an Apple TV. What can they do to entice people to pay the price? What new functionality can they provide that is different from today and not already available in one form or another?
As a Mac user since 1996 and a consumer of Apple products (not at the exclusion of all else, though), I want to like the concept of Apple TV but it doesn't really do more than a lot of the things built into a $150-200 Blu-Ray player that many of us already have. It would mostly just duplicate existing functionality in an entertainment center.

One thing that could really change my mind? Include an OTA tuner with DVR, complete with accurate channel guide, and I'd probably be sold. The combination of the online streaming capabilities of Netflix, Hulu et al with the ability to watch and record free OTA television in HD would likely be enough for me to ditch cable/satellite completely.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:32 AM   #66
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I agree Ziggy. I am thinking they need their own network too!
They could start with Netflix and Hulu. Once people have jumped ship, I bet Apple would have no problem negotiating contracts with others.
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As a Mac user since 1996 and a consumer of Apple products (not at the exclusion of all else, though), I want to like the concept of Apple TV but it doesn't really do more than a lot of the things built into a $150-200 Blu-Ray player that many of us already have. It would mostly just duplicate existing functionality in an entertainment center.

One thing that could really change my mind? Include an OTA tuner with DVR, complete with accurate channel guide, and I'd probably be sold. The combination of the online streaming capabilities of Netflix, Hulu et al with the ability to watch and record free OTA television in HD would likely be enough for me to ditch cable/satellite completely.

+1... just got a notice that my Dish prices are going up.... would love to ditch them... but want the DVR that is easy to use... (I do have an OTA DVR, but no guide to easily pick shows)....

I also would like to get internet cheaper than I am... paying AT&T over $85 for phone and crappy DSL that seems to stop working well when DW wants to watch something over the internet...
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Your post about capitulation made me curious, and I looked back at the past trade volume. It was even higher when the price was coming down from the top of $700. The volume was highest at around $620. Either sellers wanted to lock in their profits, or they knew something was coming down the pipeline. Or perhaps selling simply begets more selling. Of course there was an equal number of buyers who made the opposite bet.

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Average daily volume (past 6 mos) is 19 million. Thursday's volume was 3x that and Friday's volume was a little less. Since the stock moved down $15.00 on Friday on heavy volume, my theory that Thursday was a "capitulation" day has been disproved and hence I closed my position and wait for another day.
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I find apple pretty funny because it is so big that it literally is its own asset class. Seriously, the market cap is like .5 trillion. Anyway, if you are going to make me pick a monster company, I would much rather have Exxon mobile. Over the next 100 years, I see energy as a much more valuable than the latest I gadget.

But hey there is a lot of cash on the appl balance sheet and the pe is getting low.

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Watching Apple the last 20 to 25 years has been interesting. I recently sold out of my position. The rise of Apple has been correlated to the rise in social media (i.e., put a computer in everyone's hands, and make it smaller and smaller every year). Right now I think they may be vulnerable to competition that does the same for cheaper prices. The continued "winner" if you will, may be the company that buys out other companies to enhance the social experience or make it cheaper for us.
Have been trying to nail down the "functional" advantage of an Apple TV. What can they do to entice people to pay the price? What new functionality can they provide that is different from today and not already available in one form or another?
I consider Apple to be a "front end" to "customer" experience. As long as the back end of most businesses require the number crunching capability of IBM and Microsoft type applications, I don't see Apple invading that particular territory except of course as a "client server" (which is already available).
China may be a great area for growth but how long before the mimics take over (they already have started).

Anyone's guess on what or who Apple needs to consider buying or merging with to enhance their dominance? Netflix? Amazon? Healthcare?
I've always thought they did best when they changed the way the game was played. They need to do that with appletv. Get rid of tv subscriptions like dish, directv, time Warner etc. switch to Ichannel (like ITunes) where I pick what channels I want on a monthly basis ( ie pay $10 for discovery, $10 for cnbc and$10 for the travel channel for a month). This would be similar to ITunes revolution in that I don't need to buy an album to get a song, or in Television's case I don't need to get the 250 channel package to get the 7 channels I actually watch.

Also they need to add blue tooth surround sound speakers.
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Have been trying to nail down the "functional" advantage of an Apple TV. What can they do to entice people to pay the price? What new functionality can they provide that is different from today and not already available in one form or another?
I think the biggest "functionality" apple could bring is universal licensing for content (similar to how almost all music is available). Streaming netflix sucks because almost no movies are available. Apple is big enough that they at least have a chance at succeeding in negotiations (i think it's still a very steep uphill battle for them though).
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I just decided to buy some Apple stock for the first time ever when the market opens this coming week.

My one son was way ahead of me. Several years ago we put a little money in Etrade accounts for our children to teach them about investing. One of our sons bought a couple of shares of Apple and proceeded to see his account balance triple in value over the next three years, partially because of his Apple stock. Another son didn't fare so well with his Dell investement.

On a related note, I love the new iPhone 5 I just purchased...even if I had to return the first two iPhones because they were defective. It sure beats the Blackberry!
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How to lose money on Apple: The rise and fall of Andy Zaky - Apple 2.0 -Fortune Tech

Pretty interesting story about covered calls not working for this investor, lost his money and everyone elses's.
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I heard on the radio the other day that Apple is claiming it TV coming out next year, will be every bit as significant as the iPhone. If Jobs was the one making that claim, I would probably put a little more credance to it beyond just marketing hype.
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I heard on the radio the other day that Apple is claiming it TV coming out next year, will be every bit as significant as the iPhone. If Jobs was the one making that claim, I would probably put a little more credance to it beyond just marketing hype.

No one hyped some flops more than Jobs -

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4. Puck Mouse (1998) – The new iMac was the first major product created after Jobs’ return to Apple in 1996, and it was a big success, despite its tiny, round mouse. Users couldn’t tell which way it was oriented by feel, and it tended to disappear in the cup of the hand, making it hard to use.

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No one hyped some flops more than Jobs -

List: Steve Jobs’ Top Product Hits & Flops « CBS San Francisco

A couple of my 'favorites':

4. Puck Mouse (1998) – The new iMac was the first major product created after Jobs’ return to Apple in 1996, and it was a big success, despite its tiny, round mouse. Users couldn’t tell which way it was oriented by feel, and it tended to disappear in the cup of the hand, making it hard to use.

5. The Cube (2000) –

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Well I did say "would probably put a little more".Is that statement worded with such a strong conviction that you have laugh at it? I also am not sure the hypes you mention were in the same league hypewise as comparing the product to the likes on an iPhone.
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Well I did say "would probably put a little more".Is that statement worded with such a strong conviction that you have laugh at it? I also am not sure the hypes you mention were in the same league hypewise as comparing the product to the likes on an iPhone.
I just thought the idea was funny, nothing personal at you saying it, or your wording.

I followed Apple quite closely for many years, and have read a number of books. IIRC, it was "The Second Coming of Jobs" that really pointed out how badly he fumbled some things, and was not always the visionary that most hold him up as. Not that everyone is going to bat a thousand, but it was interesting just how he failed in some of these ventures.

That said, I don't think any other person on the planet could have turned Apple around in such a remarkable way (if at all) as Steve Jobs did upon his return in 1997.

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Once Apple dropped below 500, I got interested in it again. I have owned on and off again over the decades but I bought my last Apple product (except for iPod ages ago) back in 1985, so I know I don't understand the company that well.

I wrote some march 450 puts. I closed one today but will exercise the other in an IRA at cost basis of $435. I think Apple will be higher in the future but if it will outperform the S&P is an open question .
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