Grand Canyon Trip 2009

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Planning a Grand Canyon Trip in 2009. Longest trip we have undertaken since the drive from Indiana to Anchorage Alaska with 3 kids 34 years ago. This time it will be DW and myself driving in a SUV from Central Ohio to Grand Canyon for a weeks stay there (hopefully finding a Armed Forces Vacation site to rent). Plan to head out I70 as want to stop to see an Aunt and Uncle who live in Grand Junction, Colorado, just off I70 then on to GC. Plan to drive 8-10 hours a day to get there and come back through Texas (DW wants to see Texas; for some reason). Any hints about timing (we want to go early but do not want to hit snow), places to stay/see along the way. We plan to stay at Hotels/Motels along the way, and alocate between $200-400 per day (travel, overnight, eats, etc.,); $1K - $2K for the week at GC. Any comments and suggestions (we have unlimited time available and want the trip to be memorable and not rushed) will be appreciated. Not into tourist traps and are content to just see the natural sites.
 
Hmm coming down on 70... if you're not interested in Vegas you can hit Zion National Park, Bryce Canyon and come down through the North Rim or Page to see Antelope Canyon
 
First, let me say that the areas around Moab, Utah -- Canyonlands and Arches National Parks -- are a must see. It is very close to Grand Junction and on one of the many routes from there to the Grand Canyon.

Anyway, there is a website that caters to photographers that you should check out.

The Luminous Landscape Particularly here.

I have found that photographers, as a group, are the most reliable source of travel information -- most of it not that helpful but enough insight can be extracted to be worth the time spent reading it all.

I suppose you have already contacted the Arizona Office of Tourism. They have a number of pamphlets that will give you a start to your research.
 
OAG,

The San Juan Skyway is one of the most shockingly beautiful stretches of American highway I've ever seen. It would drop you in Durango, from which you could explore the wonderful and unique Indian lands of northeastern Arizona. It will take you awhile getting to the Grand Canyon via this route, but the experience will be exceptional. (I'm a big advocate of "slow travel", even on road trips.) Below is a link.

Tom

San Juan Skyway Overview
 
By the way, that is a really cool site I linked to in the above reply! I found it by googling "San Juan Byway" before replying to OAG, and have now discovered a great resource to help plan leisurely, scenic road trips throughout my favorite region in America, the West. No offense to others, we live in an amazingly beautiful country, and all regions have their charms.

Tom
 
1. April would be a good time for this trip, snow mostly gone, not too hot.

2. A week in GC? The GC is worth an overnight or two at most, as mentioned above, there are other outstanding parks/sights in this area to see.

3. It is imperative to get reservations for in-park lodgings as soon as you can. The in-park lodgings are the best, as you can easily walk to the rim for sunrise or sunset, which are the best viewing times.

4. Tusayan is the nearest town, with lots of motels, etc. It is 11 miles from the canyon rim. If you go there, make sure and do the IMAX movie, it is real fun.

5. Get a NPS pass before going to the parks. I believe there is a discount if you are over a certain age.

6. Avoid the Grand Canyon Skywalk- massive overpriced tourist hype. Havasupai is still in bad shape from the floods, and gets quite negative reviews for the overall ambience, despite the gorgeos photos you see.

7. Plan to drive Oak Canyon to Sedona and Jerome. They are worth it. If you had the time, I'd also drive to Tucson and spend a couple of days there. It's a very different desert environment with the Saguaro cacti.

8. There are several very good guides to the overall area.

9. I'd also add on time in Utah, it has some spectacular sites.
 
There are some cool parts of Texas but unless you dont mind going pretty far out of the way, you wont see them on a path from the GC back to Ohio. The northwest parts of Texas that you would be going thru (including the panhandle) are some of the most desolate areas and most boring drives Ive even experienced.
 
The northwest parts of Texas that you would be going thru (including the panhandle) are some of the most desolate areas and most boring drives Ive even experienced.

But there's always the Cadillac Ranch and The Big Texan Steak Ranch, both near Amarillo! That should kill a total of about 15-20 minutes. :D

And if heading back east along that route, the National Cowboy Museum is in Oklahoma City, OK. We thoroughly enjoyed several hours there perusing the exhibits....indoors & out, and had a very nice lunch there as well!!! We're planning on going there again in '09, either on our to or from the Albuquerque Balloon Fest. There's so much to see, we need to go back again.
3. It is imperative to get reservations for in-park lodgings as soon as you can. The in-park lodgings are the best, as you can easily walk to the rim for sunrise or sunset, which are the best viewing times.

4. Tusayan is the nearest town, with lots of motels, etc. It is 11 miles from the canyon rim. If you go there, make sure and do the IMAX movie, it is real fun.
We stayed in Tusayan at one of the many hotels there, and also did the I-Max movie. We enjoyed both the sunrise & sunset at the Rim...just had to drive in a bit earlier.....and we were there well after sunset, as we ate dinner at the park a few times...once was a private steak fry, and the others were at one of the restaurants there. Then a short ride back to our hotel, to crash after long days spent exploring.

Also, here's the NPS's website for fees & passes.

Here's the Nat'l Park Service's Grand Canyon Website.

If you want to do the mule ride down into the canyonn, you need to book it waaaay ahead of time. Somewhere I read or heard it's almost a must to book it about a year in advance....you can always cancel out ahead of time if your plans change. Also....though it may not apply to you....there is a very strict weight limit on the mules....
There are restrictions: mule riders must not weigh more than 200 lbs/91 kg fully dressed, must be at least 4 feet 7 inches/140 cm in height, must be able to speak and understand fluent English, must be in good physical condition, should not be afraid of heights or large animals, and cannot be pregnant.

When we went out there, we also hit the Painted Desert N.P., Petrified Forest N.P., the GC, Bryce N.P., Zion N.P., Arches N.P., and Rocky Mountain N.P. in northeast CO. And we stayed in, and explored the area around Moab, UT too. The only places that I wanted to go that I didn't get to on that trip, was Hoover Dam, and the GC Skywalk (the skywalk wasn't yet completed). I LOVE our National Parks, and could easily spend the rest of life exploring them!!! :D:D:D
 
The northwest parts of Texas that you would be going thru (including the panhandle) are some of the most desolate areas and most boring drives Ive even experienced.

I second that emotion.
 
Haven't been to Texas but it does sound like a great trip. Grand Junction is on my short list of great places to live. Looking forward to hearing about your trip.
 
I've been to the GC 3 or 4 times. The first time we spent 3 days there, and it was enough to see almost everything and hike to (near) the bottom and back. We stayed at the El Tovar and it was great. It was mid-August and about 80 at the top, but very hot at the bottom. I would recommend going around May 1.

OAG,

The San Juan Skyway is one of the most shockingly beautiful stretches of American highway I've ever seen.

Yes, i recommend this route also. I white-knuckled it the whole way.

7. Plan to drive Oak Canyon to Sedona and Jerome. They are worth it.

Yes - definitely

If you want to do the mule ride down into the canyonn, you need to book it waaaay ahead of time.

We went once in April and the mules were in spring training - they spend a week or two walking the trails with a ranger, but without passengers getting used to the trails again.

Have a great trip!
 
....It was mid-August and about 80 at the top, but very hot at the bottom. I would recommend going around May 1....

We were there in mid to late September, and the weather was also fantastic....not too hot, not to cool!

I've also considered (and am still considering...someday) taking one of the helicopter tours of the Canyon, where they fly you all around, and then land at the bottom, have lunch or dinner, and then fly you back to the top again. I thought that would be awesome....esp. since those wimpy mules can't handle da Goon! :D
 
Have a great trip!

The young wife and I went to the Grand Canyon at the end of January 1984, as part of a cross country drive in connection with a change of duty station. Yes, it was bitterly cold (about 30 below at one point) and the snow was piled high on the South Rim, but the sun was shining, the sky was bright blue, the air was crisp and clean, and it was one of the most beautiful sights I have ever seen. No photograph could ever do it justice. An added benefit is that we did not have to share it with anyone else. I can say without exaggeration that we were the only ones there. We spent most of the day at the park and saw exactly one other person -- a ranger leading a mule up out of the canyon, who made us turn around and go back up the trail because we were woefully unequipped for the climb down.

Other worthwhile places we went on that trip included the famous meteor crater in Arizona, the Painted Desert, and Albuquerque, NM. I wish we had spent more time around the latter, especially to see the pueblos.

I concur with the post about driving across the northern reaches of Texas. It was excruciatingly dull.
 
If you do the San Juan skyway, north to south, you wil come out near Mesa Verde N.P. It's worth half a day, or so. Also, heading down toward Grand Canyon, there is Canyon de Chelly in the Navaho Nation. (They also have a nice motel there that's, strangely, not on a highway, but next to the river - Navaho guided tours of the canyon are neat, also)
 
Have a great trip. San Juan skyway is great. Ditto all the suggestions, North Rim is cool but if you have not seen the South Rim, you need to do that too. Sunrises are cool over the canyon.

Also, White Sands NM is not too far off I-10. I also recommend Guadalupe Mountains NP in West Texas.
 
I also recommend Guadalupe Mountains NP in West Texas.

The singular exception to the "the most desolate areas and most boring drives" comment. And it is close enough to Carlsbad to make it worth the effort.
 
I took my daughter to the Grand Canyon when she was about 10 and made her get up really early in the morning to see the sunrise. It was freezing but absolutely worth it to see the sun's rays illuminate the canyon walls!
 
Thanks everyone. I will print the thread and I am sure it will be a nice trip and much better with all of the tips and suggestions that have been provided.
 
I'll add that most tourists seem not to go into the canyon, just look at it from the edge. If you walk half an hour down, you'll be surrounded 360 degrees by the canyon (instead of just 180), and the visual impression is even better when the canyon is your entire world.
 
Everyone should see the Grand Canyon in person once in their lives, it's something that you just can't appreciate through pictures alone (Niagra Falls itself, not the town, is another). Last time I was at the Grand Canyon I took a helicopter tour, it's expensive, but I would recommend it highly. I am a firm believer in not denying myself great experiences in life (see sig below), although the expensive ones I only do once. I don't want to look back on my life one day wondering what this or that experience might have been like - and denied myself (the heli tour was $400 at the time). At any rate, you won't regret making the trip no matter what you decide, enjoy it.
 
On the South Rim, there is also a nice trail/walk that goes along the west road toward's Hermit's rest. You don't have to travel very far to be away from the crowds and have a chance to experience the beauty in solitude. I believe there is also a free bus that runs near the route in the summer, so you can walk out and bus back for free.
 
There is so much to see in that whole area. To get a good feel for what is there, you should get a copy of the "Indian Country Guide Map." (That link has a very lousy description and picture -- it is exactly like those State road maps that unfold in to this huge unwieldy thing that is impossible to refold -- but the price is right.) Best $3 or $4 you will ever spend

It includes the Grand Canyon and also large sections of Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico. The cover says it is:

A MAP PLUS: Information on points of interest, recreation, and annual events, plus backcountry and river rafting outfitters, tribal information and more.

Including: Arches NP, Bryce Canyon NP, Canyon de Chelly NM, Canyonlands NP, Capital Reef NP, Chaco Canyon NHP, Grand Canyon NP, Monument Valley NTP, and Zion NP.

On the other hand, for only $125 this sounds like an interesting resource.
 
If you are in decent shape then consider hiking down and staying at least a couple nights at the Phantom Ranch. They have cabins and dorm style accommodations.

Folks with backpacking gear can stay at the campground and arrange to have just your meals at the ranch. The meals are served family style in a large dining room.

If you are into fishing, it used to be that National Parks don't require a state fishing license. At certain times of the year the trout fishing is pretty good. The rules about tackle may have changed but you used to be able to use anything except live bait. Now you might have to use barbless hooks, that seems to be the trend.

There are also several nice hikes at the bottom and you'll be away from the crowds at the top. Here's a link to get you started. Phantom Ranch / Bright Angel Day Hikes

The hike down is pretty easy but go slow if your knees are getting old. The hike out isn't too difficult as long as you start early and don't carry too much stuff. I always stash a few water bottles on the way down.

Another spot with good views of a spectacular canyon is Goosenecks State Park which is just a little West of Mexican Hat UT near the AZ border. You can drive right up the the edge of the canyon and camp if you want to. Use Google satellite view to get an idea of what the area looks like.

There is a good spot to eat in Monticello UT called MD Ranch Cookhouse. It's right on the main road. The folks in that town were extra friendly even though we were a bunch of smelly backpackers. This part of Utah is over 6000 feet elevation so you'll have warm days but chilly nights. It can get down below 40 even in June.

If you want to see some of Utah's famous arches but want to avoid the crowds there is a nice spot called Natural Bridges National Monument a few miles West of Blanding UT. There is a nice loop drive with lots of easy parking if you are inclined to stretch out your legs or take some pictures. If you take that side trip then you don't have to drive all the way back to Blanding, head south to Mexican Hat on 261.

A good spot for stretching out and a nice steak is the Cameron Trading Post. It's in Cameron AZ, about an hour North of Flagstaff at the intersection of 89 and 64. 64 is the back way into the Grand Canyon but the rules about driving at the canyon would be something you would need to check out. I know you aren't interested in tourist traps but there is also a large gift shop where you can see lots of good examples of Navaho and Hopi art and jewelry. My wife is pretty picky about jewelry but I was able to find a nice pair of earings with a SW flavor that she likes.

For a good view of the AZ Painted Desert, especially around sunset, about 20 miles South of Cameron turn West onto forest road 418. You'll know when you get close to the turnoff when there are old volcanic cinder cones on both sides of the road. Just drive a mile or two and stop for a view back to the East. This spot is one of the best to see exactly what the heck a painted desert is.

If you continue on the forest road another few miles it takes you to a spot called Lockett Meadow or The Inner Basin. In the winter I have walked this a few times so it probably isn't too far. Here you'll be in a flat area where you can see into the center of the San Francisco Mountains, at about 8500 feet with groves of aspen and ponderosa pine. Use google maps and click the "Terrain" tab to see the layout.

The Inner Basin is often visited by Native Americans. They come to the mountains to place prayer sticks, I think they are in honor of their ancestors. The sticks are 2 to 3 feet long and are decorated so you won't mistake them for an ordinary stick. I have seen them a few times and you're aren't supposed to mess with them, that would be like messing with a gravestone in a cemetary. Even if you aren't a religious person seeing some of these prayer sticks will be memorable.
 
AZDreamer,

Great stuff. I love to poke around in backwoods Southwest, as you obviously do also. (Three days ago I was hiking in the snow in the Gila Wilderness north of Silver City, and also explored Truth or Consequences and Chloride, New Mexico.) Thanks for these tips, I've bookmarked this page and will absolutely visit some of your recommended sites and attractions.

Tom
 
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