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Old 10-19-2015, 02:09 PM   #41
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Stayed in a tent at one of Yellowstone's campgrounds years ago but never again. It's for your own good but you're constantly bombarded with warnings for bears everywhere you go, it was very difficult to feel comfortable or safe at night so got very little sleep.
Years ago, I would have poo-poo'd your concerns. But lately, due mainly to the high usage bear populated area campgrounds, such as Smoky Mountain Nat Park, receive, I've gotten a bit nervous myself. When campsites in bear areas receive heavy use, there are bound to be some campers who aren't tidy with food and garbage and have other bad bear-attracting behaviors. And the bears become habituated to having people around and become bold. It's a bad combination.

I actually feel safer (in terms of bears anyway) tent camping in a very remote area such as Quetico or Caribou Provincial Park than in a heavily used area such as Smoky Mountain Nat Park or even Yellowstone.

Then, of course, you have to factor in whether you'd rather deal with black bears or grizzlies.

Now in our late 60's, we threw in the towel and bought a hard sided pop-up and tossed the well worn tent.
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Old 10-19-2015, 03:23 PM   #42
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... you have to factor in whether you'd rather deal with black bears or grizzlies...
There's a big difference between black bears and grizzlies. Search for "grizzly attack" on the Web and see for yourself.

Here's a story of a couple who hiked in Yellowstone, and survived an attack because they carried bear sprays.
It was approaching noon, so the two stopped to eat lunch. They went near an island of trees that offered shade, and Kevin bent to duck beneath a tree branch.
That’s when they heard the distinct crack of timber.
Kevin stood up in time to turn and see a sow grizzly bear coming for him at full speed.
“It was crazy how fast she was running,” Kevin remembered later. “She came over those logs like they weren’t even there.”
He also remembered the look on the bear’s face, one of “just pure bad intentions,” he said. “She meant business.”

Many people who survived grizzly attack described how they were stunned at the speed these bears moved. These hikers were saved because they stayed alert, and had the bear spray with them.
He was in the park to go fishing a few days before the hike when the grizzly charged him, and he realized he’d forgotten to bring the cans of bear spray he keeps at home. So, he paid $54 for another can.

Two days later, it saved his life.

Read more at: In wake of fatal Yellowstone grizzly attacks, Bozeman couple shares survival story | News | bozemandailychronicle.com.
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Amusing bear story. My brother, after getting his undergrad, decided to ignore the conventional wisdom of getting a job, and instead loaded up his 72 Ford Pinto with all of his camping and rock climbing gear. He spent the summer (illegally) camping at an unmarked campsight in Tuolome Meadows (it was some dead space between to sites.) I say illegally because there is a 2 week limit and he was there the full season. He was tent camping and had his own "bear box" which he suspended from a two trees every night for safe measure. But there must have been food smell in his car. This car was modified to protect his climbing gear - the back seat had been removed and replaced with a plywood locking box for climbing gear. A bear and her cub broke the windows on the Pinto and tore up his seats looking for food. The next night they were back - and climbed in his car again. He started sleeping with a pot and ladle and banged on it to chase the bear away, every night, for the rest of the summer. He was too broke to fix the window and the seats were fixed with duct tape.

I visited him in his campsite home that summer - and witnessed the nightly bear parade. Fortunately, they weren't aggressive. FWIW - my brother was very careful with using the metal box as a bear box, suspended from the trees.
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Okay, a little bit more thread drift - this is a story out of Alaska. A guy hires a light airplane to fly him to a remote area for fishing. He unwisely leaves bait in the airplane and a bear rips the fabric off the fuselage. Are they going to have to abandon it?

No way. He calls in another pilot who brings with him a few cases of duct tape and they wrap up the airplane and fly it back for proper repair.

I believe the story. I learned to fly in a Piper J-3 Cub and they are of similar construction and don't fly very fast but they'll land in a very short space.

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I found an article describing the night bear attack at Soda Butte, Yellowstone, in 2010, that I talked about earlier. My memory was wrong about the woman being dragged off her tent being killed. She was not, but another male victim in the same campground was.

A sow bear attacked three different tents in one night, with the victim in the last tent killed and partially consumed by the bear and its cubs. This predatory grizzly was unusually scrawny for its age at 220 lbs. Rangers said all tent campers were doing the right thing with food keeping. The woman victim did not even cook food over the firepit, nor wore lotions. The victim of the fatal attack also did everything right.

This detailed report describes how the surviving female victim had a can of bear spray by her side, but could not reach it (hard to do while you are getting chomped on). Her husband in a nearby tent slept through the attack. In fact, many in the whole campground slept through the bear rampage until the rangers arrived to wake everyone up and asked them to leave. That was when the rangers found the remains of the last victim.

See: Terror at Soda Butte
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I thought we were talking about an oversized teardrop camper from Quebec.

They're very nice units, and would be great to do long distance traveling in--i.e. Alaska via the Yukon and NW Territory.

Our camping is limited to the East Tennessee and North Georgia Mountains, as we don't travel all over. We're in a fifth wheel trailer for just a little more money--with 3 big screen televisions, a 12' leather sofa and a bunkhouse with a second leather sofa and 3 beds.

And we're close enough to nature to have 2 black bear families come through our campground nightly. They got into my electric cooler last year.
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Not made in Quebec but a small, home made trailer that is listed as functional:

Full-size, functional caravan made of LEGOs sets Guinness record | Fox News
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Okay, a little bit more thread drift - this is a story out of Alaska. A guy hires a light airplane to fly him to a remote area for fishing. He unwisely leaves bait in the airplane and a bear rips the fabric off the fuselage. Are they going to have to abandon it?

No way. He calls in another pilot who brings with him a few cases of duct tape and they wrap up the airplane and fly it back for proper repair.

I believe the story. I learned to fly in a Piper J-3 Cub and they are of similar construction and don't fly very fast but they'll land in a very short space.

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Why did the fuselage need to be repaired for the plane to fly?
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Why did the fuselage need to be repaired for the plane to fly?
With the hole, it might have been too draggy to fly. Removing all the covering on the rear fuselage might have reduced drag some, but maybe not. Plus, all that rear fuselage covering contributes to the "tail volume", reducing it moves the center of pressure forward, possibly making the plane unstable, even unflyable. Also, highly turbulent air burbling over the tail surfaces could cause mischief. If things can be kept within CG limits, it is probably safest to use the tape to make the aerodynamics match what has been flown before rather than to be a test pilot.
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My husband and I have two hard-sided popup trailers, a Chalet and a Trailmanor. We traveled around the Canadian Rockies in the Chalet this past summer and found several campgrounds that were segregated into RV only. In Jasper, a truck with camper parked next to us in the RV section. It had a roof that could be raised about one foot , resulting in a section of canvas-like material between the metal sections. They were immediately ejected from the campground once they raised the roof because they were supposed to be in the Tent campground, which was surrounded by an electric fence to keep the Grizzlies out at night. Since this was in July, not sure if they were able to get a last minute space due to the popularity of the area. They might have had to move on. Just one reason we went for the hard-sided option.


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Okay, a little bit more thread drift - this is a story out of Alaska. A guy hires a light airplane to fly him to a remote area for fishing. He unwisely leaves bait in the airplane and a bear rips the fabric off the fuselage. Are they going to have to abandon it?

No way. He calls in another pilot who brings with him a few cases of duct tape and they wrap up the airplane and fly it back for proper repair.

I believe the story. I learned to fly in a Piper J-3 Cub and they are of similar construction and don't fly very fast but they'll land in a very short space.

Bear Attacks Plane, Pilot Fixes Plane With Duct Tape, Pilot Flies Duct-Taped Plane Home
Allow me to tell a similar story about flying in Alaska.

A hunter hired a plane to fly him into the wilderness for moose hunting. When the pilot came back to pick him up, he saw that the hunter had brought down two moose.

The pilot got upset: "Why did you shoot two? There's no way we can fly both of them back. It's a waste."

The hunter shrugged: "Last year, I hired a plane just like yours. The pilot strapped both of them to the plane".

The pilot thought about it a bit, then decided that if the earlier pilot could do it, then he should also be able to.

The plane struggled to gain speed, ran out of runway and crashed into the bushes at the end of the landing zone.

When they came to, the pilot, still dazed, asked: "Where are we?"

The hunter, a bit less groggy, responded: "Oh, about 100 yards from the crash spot last year".
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