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Old 10-11-2019, 08:19 PM   #1
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National Parks Proposal

Knowing that many here enjoy our national parks, I thought this proposal may be of interest. I primarily use state and local parks but back in the day did a lot of camping in the nationals. I think this passage pretty well sums up the ideas that are being proposed.


“The memo opens by asserting that campgrounds are “excellent candidates for partner management under concessions and leases. ....... Crandall proceeds to argue that federally operated campgrounds suffer from “inadequate and outmoded visitor infrastructure.” As one example, he cites the lack of wireless internet service, as well as a dearth of places to shop.”


https://news.yahoo.com/campgrounds-i...090019066.html
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Old 10-11-2019, 08:23 PM   #2
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It makes sense. The Parks are in need of revenue. The campgrounds are outdated and a larger rig has difficulties.
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Old 10-11-2019, 09:10 PM   #3
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It seems to me the question is do people want parks to remain close to their natural state or parks that add 21st century amenities? Do Americans strongly favor one of those over the other? I don't know what poll results would find.
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Seems to me, this is about modernizing or improving the front country, highly visited, car camping areas of NP’s. Probably nothing wrong with that. The folks visiting in those areas will likely appreciate it.

For those still wanting the pure, untainted experience, the back country is still there relatively untouched. And those folks certainly appreciate that.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:10 PM   #5
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It seems to me the question is do people want parks to remain close to their natural state or parks that add 21st century amenities? Do Americans strongly favor one of those over the other? I don't know what poll results would find.
Most Americans probably want the unspoiled natural state of the Park. Until they have to get out of their car to view it...
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Old 10-12-2019, 05:59 AM   #6
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IMO, the proposal is a great idea. Many national parks could use a facilities upgrade. I wish the State of Illinois would have a similar proposal for their state parks. Many state parks here are in extreme neglect with some facilities closed.
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While I would have liked a occasional Wifi in my recent trip thru YNP and GTNP (or even cell service), the idea of any noticeable upset to either is not something I'd want.
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Might as well just sell them off to Disney.
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Maybe if they raised the prices, it would cure some of the overcrowding and attendant strain on the infrastructure.
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This isn't exactly a new idea, since concessionaires already operate campgrounds (as well as other commercial facilities such as hotels, restaurants, and gift shops) in a number of our national parks. Some get overly greedy though -- especially Delaware North, which copyrighted a number of Yosemite's landmark names, then sued the government for using them after they lost the contract.
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Maybe if they raised the prices, it would cure some of the overcrowding and attendant strain on the infrastructure.

This idea has been explored before. But it’s often viewed as elitist, keeping the lower income folks from being able to visit.
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Most Americans probably want the unspoiled natural state of the Park. Until they have to get out of their car to view it...
I disagree.
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It makes sense. The Parks are in need of revenue. The campgrounds are outdated and a larger rig has difficulties.
People who travel in Big Rigs have everything they need in the rig. No need to pollute campgrounds with amenities these folks already bring with them.
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The real issue is the National Parks are underfunded for maintenance. That's a decision our Congress has made. Simply putting in some stores and modern facilities will not generate much revenue to help the National Parks unless the parks are allowed to keep it.

Intentionally under-funding services the public likes and enjoys is an old tactic to get the public to approve tax increases and other questionable plans.

Messing with the National Parks is perhaps the only thing equal to messing with Social Security.
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The local USFS is proposing day use & overnight fees for 19 trails in our area. $3-$5/person/night. I have not seen the proposed trails yet. We have had issues with overcrowding parking areas & congestion on the popular trails. There are another 60 trails with no fees

We have significant tourist trade here & that tends to overload some trails.
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Seems to me, this is about modernizing or improving the front country, highly visited, car camping areas of NP’s. Probably nothing wrong with that. The folks visiting in those areas will likely appreciate it.

For those still wanting the pure, untainted experience, the back country is still there relatively untouched. And those folks certainly appreciate that.
Great thoughts. It doesn't have to be all either or.
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