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Old 02-04-2016, 01:35 PM   #21
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So, if Bill Gates stayed at a Motel 6 you wouldn't see any incongruity?
I'm not sure I get your point.

If Bill Gates only felt comfortable spending for a motel 6, (or Warren Buffet only feels comfortable living in the same house he bought in 1958 for $31K) are you saying you know better?

What you can "afford" is largely subjective. And I assume you agree seeing as how when you initially used the words you too put it in quotes.

Technically I have the money to buy lots of things . . . yachts, mansions, private plane rides, etc. I do not feel I can "afford" them though. Others in my position may feel differently.
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What you can "afford" is largely subjective.
Whereas my responses were more 'objectively' based.......'can' as opposed to 'feels he can'.......semantics...chacun à son goût, I guess.

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I believe you can pick up a used RV for a song. Do you have a place to store it? Used I think is fine. As for maintenance, you're taking a "house" down the road and shaking it. Maintenance capability (if you have the talent) is a real plus. We roll with 36' length. Smaller is better for parks & camping. I stay with what we've got as I don't want to give up any "rooms". Best of all I find it so relaxing. DH is in control and I love it. We still do the "condo" when needed due to time constraints as DH doesn't retire until this June. The rig we have, has driven the Al/Can Hwy to Ak & back. You can't do that comfortably another way, absent a cruise which isn't our thing. Driving does take more concentration than a with a big rig than a car I think. If you have disabilities (ie back pain) your time may be limited to 4/5 hours.


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When you buy a recreational vehicle, you're buying into a lifestyle. We've got a year old fifth wheel trailer, and have been RV'ers for the last 20 years.

I read a number of online RV forums. And I often read of those that sell all their personal assets and home and hit the road full time for a number of years. They're so brave for following their dreams. Funny thing is that I seldom read of full timers that don't love the lifestyle and the freedom they have.

I've got the truck and trailer to go full time, but we just use our RV as our mountain residence away from home. We seldom leave the campground we're part owner of. Whenever we're going to the camper, we call the campground and they move it on a campsite for us. It costs us about $750 per year in fees, which is not very much as we can camp 2 weeks per month there.

We are perpetual travelers, but most of our travel is on cruises and in Europe. I traveled the U.S. so much for work that we really travel very little domestically.
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I agree that the RV choice is a lifestyle decision more than a financial decision. I have a big motorhome, and I like that I can go places that I could not with hotels or houses. It just depends what you like. The RV route you do have to be able to fix stuff yourself. You have more flexibility with the RV. Do you like driving and spending days on the road? Do you want to be able to go to state or national parks and stay inside them? Do you like cooking your own meals? Staying in your own bed? Length of stay, many parks have 2 week limits, so forced to move around more. Taking any pets with you?

If you have not had much experience with RV, the rental suggestion is a good one. The cost for an RV can be reduced a lot buying used. Size or type of RV is what you prefer, many options out there.

My main enjoyment of the RV is being able to go places I would not otherwise be able to, or at least not without considerable expense or difficulty.

All travel costs money, going by RV just spends it differently. An RV is not more expensive, but not necessarily less expensive.
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Thanks everyone for the inputs. I'm leaning RV then vrbo later on when I get tired of the nomad lifestyle.
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The cost for an RV can be reduced a lot buying used. Size or type of RV is what you prefer, many options out there.

My main enjoyment of the RV is being able to go places I would not otherwise be able to, or at least not without considerable expense or difficulty.

All travel costs money, going by RV just spends it differently. An RV is not more expensive, but not necessarily less expensive.
For me, the RV would be the easy choice due to flexibility. I enjoy national forests/parks and often do not use campgrounds but go the dispersed route. I have a dog which was another factor in going with the RV.

I have owned two smaller RVs (22'-24') in order to avoid having a tow vehicle and to facilitate travel in out of the way places (one was on a 4WD chassis) as well as parking in urban areas. I bought both very lightly used (under 10k miles), put around 10k miles on each over several months, then sold for more than the purchase price which offset some of the travel expenses.
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DW and I considered buying a used "luxury" 32' motor home this fall for $100,000; it was in impeccable condition for a 10 year old vehicle that originally cost over $375,000. The motivated seller (he wanted to buy another) gave these points up front.

1. DO NOT take out in snow or chance of snow. (This rules out the Rockies in May or October)
2. Must winterize if goes below freezing for any length of time. (Common sense, but rules out some multiple winter trips to warmer climes conveniently.)
3. Slept only 3 easily, the 4th had to sleep in a reclining chair.
4. The huge Cummins diesel engine got 10 MPG while pulling a small vehicle, but it did have a 100 gal fuel tank. It took 35 qts. of motor oil, synthetic preferred.
5. Owners had some fuel/engine issues in autumn and had to have fuel tank/system cleaned by dealer before winterizing. $2000.00 gone.
6. While traveling on first spring trip following year, fuel/engine issue reappeared. REPLACED 100gal stainless steel tank, FUEL, fuel pump, and other fuel components as they were infected with a algae that grows in diesel. ( Whodathunk?) $8000.00, $1200 credit from fall.
7. Refuel and refill 100 gal tank.
8. After getting back on the road, 30 minutes later, debris on interstate forced driver to take motor home into median; damaging 1 rear tire and requiring very large tow truck to winch motor home out of storm drain. Replaced ALL 4 rear tires ($800/each) after tow to another shop.

Even though I could actually shave in the stainless steel wrap-around located on the entire bottom of the motor home, DW and I will no longer entertain the idea of owning a motor home. YMMV
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Even though I could actually shave in the stainless steel wrap-around located on the entire bottom of the motor home, DW and I will no longer entertain the idea of owning a motor home. YMMV
IMO, the important take away here is that occasional use of a vehicle is much more problematic than for a vehicle used every day. It is somewhat counter intuitive, but a very low mileage vehicle that has been sitting around can have a host of issues just waiting to surface. Rust (and corrosion) never sleeps.
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IMO, the important take away here is that occasional use of a vehicle is much more problematic that for a vehicle used every day. It is somewhat counter intuitive, but a very low mileage vehicle that has been sitting around can have a host of issues just waiting to surface. Rust (and corrosion) never sleeps.
Exactly and the limited number of days it's used, makes the cost per day or per mile higher..kind of a vicious circle. This is what makes the economics of the original cost question by the OP so hard to pin down.

This was the issue we ran into when deciding second home or VRBO...the second home carry for 365 days a year didn't pencil out for us personally.
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IMO, the important take away here is that occasional use of a vehicle is much more problematic that for a vehicle used every day. It is somewhat counter intuitive, but a very low mileage vehicle that has been sitting around can have a host of issues just waiting to surface. Rust (and corrosion) never sleeps.
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Both of the RVs I bought lightly used were new enough that they still had warranty time left - one on the entire rig and the other on the chassis. I never considered anything more than 2-3 years old as the chance of mechanical issues is somewhat lessened. It is not that difficult to find good deals on late model RVs as lots of folks buy them and decide it is not for them or health issues arise soon after purchase. Also, I did not buy low end rigs as the higher quality RVs are much easier to sell.
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In order to find an answer to RV vs. AirBnB vs. VRBO is to understand how you plan to travel. As many have said on this thread... it depends.

We really enjoy towing our 29' Airstream travel trailer and our 19' Airstream camper van. Doesn't matter that we have Airstreams - any brand is fine.

An RV allows us to have our bed, shower, toilet, kitchen, etc. and without the need to back and unpack and be tied down to a reservation.

RV travel gives us the ability to go to out of the way places such as Bureau of Land Management property, National Parks, Wildlife Management Areas as well as less remote state parks and commercial campgrounds. We have found a number of commercial campgrounds in densely populated urban areas so even "cities" are an option.

You really have to take time to understand how you want to travel. If weekend getaways or maybe a week at a time is your thing and going to a completely different place each time, unencumbered by "getting there" then maybe airline travel and AirBnB are the way to go. VRBO would also work well.

If part of the enjoyment of travel is the journey then RVing may be more to your liking. DW and I really enjoy "stumbling" around on back roads looking for interesting places to stop for part of the day or several days. RVing is well suited to that mode of travel. But even RVing has many aspects to it. Not all RVs are the same and the type of travel can be dramatically different from one type of RV to another. For instance, traveling in our van gives us an opportunity to be relatively stealth when it comes to certain overnight spots. The trailer is definitely not stealth. The van allows us to go and go and go and stop when we want and not double back to the campsite. The trailer typically requires us to drop the trailer somewhere then go on daytrips from that central location. However, the trailer has much more room than the van. It's the proverbial different strokes for different folks.

RVs are not for everyone. However, many people don't take time to understand the different aspects of RV travel and types of RVs and consequently overlook the possibilities RVs offer.

I'll be the first to say that RV travel is not necessarily inexpensive. Others have also mentioned it helps to by a DIYer. However, the initial expense of an RV does not have to be astronomical - lots of good used RVs are available for under $30k and there are many available for less than $10k.
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We purchased our first (and current) 17' RV in 2013. Last year after DH retired we took it on the road for an 8,200 mile journey. Our nightly costs were $17 for Oregon camping and the most we paid was $42 a night at a high end resort in CA. We had a terrific time. We ate mostly in our own kitchen, slept in our own bed every night. We loved it so much we are trading in our 17' RV for a new 23' RV. (Only getting a new larger one due to a new family addition of a 3 year old black lab. We traveled in off months. Mar and April. Saw many cool places and met many cool people. We will not be doing full time and have our home to come back to.

I find this way of traveling is way cheaper than hotels or renting homes on VRBO, etc. We got to stay in many out of the way places. Florida on the beach, Ga at a plantation, Miss on the beach, Alabama on top of a mountain where we were the only campers at the time, in town in New Orleans, on Yellowstone River in Montana and the list goes on and on. Fun fun times and we were always "home".

Heading on a 2 month trip after we purchase a new slightly bigger RV. Can't wait.
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Trying to decide whether buying an RV is worth it to travel the US and Canada or hotels and VRBOs. Thoughts?
The RV is the expensive option.

If you ignore the purchase price it can be cheaper.

It really comes down to how much money you have and what you want to do.
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They are very different experiences. If you have never had an RV before, I strongly suggest you rent once (or more) to see if it's to your liking.

This. DBIL had great fantasies about seeing the USA by RV after retirement. He and my Dad rented one to see the West and even though DBIL was a long-haul trucker and handy under the hood, it was not a pleasant trip. That was the end of the fantasy. My sister heaved a great sigh of relief.
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DW and I used VRBO before we retired.

Last year, we purchased a 45ft, 10 yr old MH for $200K. I have pictures of it in the Motorhome Thread in this forum.

It depreciates $1k each month. Insurance is a little more than $2k annually and registration is about $2k annually as well. I budget around $8k for repairs and upgrades each year. On a trip last December, the turbo started leaking oil and was replaced.... That cost $4k.

We plan to use the MH for 5 months each year... 2 and 3 month long trips in the spring and fall. Storage when not in use costs $300 each month.

We also tow a jeep Cherokee. The towing setup cost $4k.

Using VRBO, airlines, and rental cars is a fine way to travel until you are ready to commit to an RV lifestyle. IRV2.com (own by the same guy who runs this forum), rvforum.net and rv.net are great places to learn about RVs from other peoples experiences. Also, start shopping for your coach at rvtrader.com and rvt.com

We chose the RV lifestyle because we wanted extended trips with all our stuff; mountain bikes, dogs, Clothing(jackets, sweaters, shorts) kitchen and outdoor grill equipment, etc.

Extended trips using vrbo and hotels was too much effort and too limiting and living out of a suitcase was too tedious.

And yes, the RV lifestyle is more social... I always seem to park (camp) next to the New Yorker guy who never shuts up We also meet some nice folks at the Jacuzzi or out walking the dogs.

My next travel season beings in early April. Plan to travel from SLC towards Page AZ and visit Monument Valley and Canyon De Chelly. We will tour AZ and Southern California during April, May and June. We will visit the Lake Tahoe area in early June and return to SLC mid June.

The fall travel season will start after Labor day and we will travel to Moab, Denver and attend the Balloon festival in Albuquerque.

When considering an RV, start figuring out your budgets; purchase, operating expense, repair and travel(fuel, camping fees, and activites).

Its going to be warm this week, so I will be pulling my coach out of storage and begin spring maintenance and repairs/upgrades
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DW and I used VRBO before we retired.

Last year, we purchased a 45ft, 10 yr old MH for $200K. I have pictures of it in the Motorhome Thread in this forum.

It depreciates $1k each month. Insurance is a little more than $2k annually and registration is about $2k annually as well. I budget around $8k for repairs and upgrades each year. On a trip last December, the turbo started leaking oil and was replaced.... That cost $4k.

We plan to use the MH for 5 months each year... 2 and 3 month long trips in the spring and fall. Storage when not in use costs $300 each month.

We also tow a jeep Cherokee. The towing setup cost $4k.

Using VRBO, airlines, and rental cars is a fine way to travel until you are ready to commit to an RV lifestyle. IRV2.com (own by the same guy who runs this forum), rvforum.net and rv.net are great places to learn about RVs from other peoples experiences. Also, start shopping for your coach at rvtrader.com and rvt.com

We chose the RV lifestyle because we wanted extended trips with all our stuff; mountain bikes, dogs, Clothing(jackets, sweaters, shorts) kitchen and outdoor grill equipment, etc.

Extended trips using vrbo and hotels was too much effort and too limiting and living out of a suitcase was too tedious.

And yes, the RV lifestyle is more social... I always seem to park (camp) next to the New Yorker guy who never shuts up We also meet some nice folks at the Jacuzzi or out walking the dogs.

My next travel season beings in early April. Plan to travel from SLC towards Page AZ and visit Monument Valley and Canyon De Chelly. We will tour AZ and Southern California during April, May and June. We will visit the Lake Tahoe area in early June and return to SLC mid June.

The fall travel season will start after Labor day and we will travel to Moab, Denver and attend the Balloon festival in Albuquerque.

When considering an RV, start figuring out your budgets; purchase, operating expense, repair and travel(fuel, camping fees, and activites).

Its going to be warm this week, so I will be pulling my coach out of storage and begin spring maintenance and repairs/upgrades
So your approx. fixed costs per month of use is around 5000 ( I know you used round numbers so it's not exact)? Any idea what your hook-up/camping fees and fuel add to that number? VRBO rentals do not actually always involve living out of a suitcase. Not having a lot of possessions to deal with actually makes traveling more enjoyable for us. To me the VRBO style is easier and more hassle-free then and RV. I'm glad this great country of ours offers so many options.
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So your approx. fixed costs per month of use is around 5000 ( I know you used round numbers so it's not exact)? Any idea what your hook-up/camping fees and fuel add to that number? VRBO rentals do not actually always involve living out of a suitcase. Not having a lot of possessions to deal with actually makes traveling more enjoyable for us. To me the VRBO style is easier and more hassle-free then and RV. I'm glad this great country of ours offers so many options.
Its just a guess, but I have budgeted $3400 for fuel. Prices have come down since I set that budget. I get 6.5 mpg so at 2.25 per gallon, I can travel 10,000 miles. I doubt I will travel more than 8000.

Daily Campground fees run from $30 to $100. Weekly rates will be a bit cheaper. And we plan on boondocking in the forest and casinos as we get more comfortable with the lifestyle. The boondocking cost is the amount of fuel needed to run the generator (AC, espresso machine, charge the batteries) and the heater.

Again, its just a guess, but I have budgeted $1300 a month for these fees.
So, the camping and fuel costs are about $2k per month of use.

Check out Las Vegas Motorcoach Resort as an example of the nicer resorts.

And yes, the VRBO lifestyle is easier than the first year of the RV lifestyle. I have had to endure a non-trivial education so far.
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