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Old 02-09-2010, 02:27 PM   #21
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I dunno. It is a free society, and they are doing it according to their free will. As for me, I don't even desire "young things", leave alone "not so young things".
I am not saying that it is should be illegal; just that I think they are mentally ill. Since as you assert this is a free society, I guess I am free to voice that opinion?

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No, I understand your points fine, and even agree with it. It is just that people do strange things that we will never understand. But mentally ill? I do not go that far :-) Maybe these young men know something both of us don't.
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On my last cruise I didn't even make it to the buffet before 3 separate cougars tracked me down and had their way with me. One of them caught me right by the buffet. While other cougars circled, she forced herself on me between the artichoke hearts and the foie de gras.

- Those cougars are so aggressive.

The rest of the cruise was a total treadmill. By the time I got off I was totally spent.
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Hmmm, I have a good friend who has a SO that happens to be 10+ years younger. Does that make her a cougar? They have been together for 15+ years so that was well before the 'cougar' term surfaced.
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But mentally ill? I do not go that far :-)
Well, as I used to say to my sons-"Daddy sometimes speaks loosely".

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The line younger guys use is they can "talk better" to an older woman. Yes, they are so "deep" and "intellectual" that they need the challenge of a mature/saggy breasted, well read older woman instead of all those insipid young nubile things their age.
I think they want to be taken care of on some level usually (emotionally or financially), and you are taking this from a woman who has dated her share of younger guys at one point. Didn't plan it, but it worked out that way. Then I got bored..haha! Ooops...guess no Sugar Mama here, boys...sorry.
Alot of younger guys are thinking they are so very attractive and sexually desirable that an older woman will be so incredibly grateful she will so gladly fork over money, clothing, goodies to them. Again, ! Not...unless she is (a.) desperate or (b.) a total fool or (c.) naive. And a whole lot of older women are like that, unfortunately.
And alot of younger guys into older women--again, don't be shocked--are fighting fears of their own masculinity I'm told by a shrink friend of mine.
I wouldn't, personally, date another younger man ever again in my life if I'm lucky. Just not my thang at all...but it was fun for awhile. Well, it passed the time, anyway.
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On my last cruise I didn't even make it to the buffet before 3 separate cougars tracked me down and had their way with me. One of them caught me right by the buffet. While other cougars circled, she forced herself on me between the artichoke hearts and the foie de gras.

- Those cougars are so aggressive.

The rest of the cruise was a total treadmill. By the time I got off I was totally spent.
Crap, I knew I was on the wrong cruise. They had foie gras on the buffet!?! Screw the cougars, I'm headed to the buffet.

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Hmm... I do not feel the same.

Ah, I know why. I am just as old as these cougars, hence am not their targeted cub.

I am safe from cougar's claws.
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Crap, I knew I was on the wrong cruise. They had foie gras on the buffet!?! Screw the cougars, I'm headed to the buffet.
Apparently, Chicago isn't one of the ports of call...
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I always wonder how they market these cruises. I mean do hold the cougar cruises, swingers cruises, gay cruises, etc off the regular cruise market? What is to keep me from navigating to Travelocity and booking a random week on the Carnival Whatever Ship, and upon getting on board figuring out that the large majority of my shipmates are older women+younger men/Swingers/gay men (not that there's anything wrong with that, especially the cougars and swingers for me, or the gay men for the DW )?
Just a small fear in the back of my mind when booking a cruise. It seems like a good plot for a made-for-tv comedy movie.
While theme charter cruises are held off the company's general market, whoever's arranging the theme cruise can also have the cruise line do the marketing for them. But that arrangement has full disclosure and it's not on the "regular" cruise schedule.

I don't know if every cruise line labels its special events occurring during the cruise, but take a look at the Plans of the Day on a Norwegian Cruise Line trip. Events labeled "Friends of Bill" are AA meetings. IIRC events labeled "Friends of Adam" or "Friends of Dorothy" are gay/lesbian socials. And now that I've learned about swinger's cruises, I guess I'll keep an eye out for "Friends of George, George, George of the Jungle" events...

Personally I enjoy cruises to have low-stress "family time", "spouse time", and "me time". Kick back, relax, enjoy the people-watching, catch up on my reading, have interesting conversations with total strangers, get into a regular workout schedule so that I can eat without conscience, and have someone else take care of the entertainment. But parsing through the passenger's roster in search of fresh meat, or planning how I'd appeal to the fresh meat, isn't exactly what I'd call "low stress"...
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While theme charter cruises are held off the company's general market, whoever's arranging the theme cruise can also have the cruise line do the marketing for them. But that arrangement has full disclosure and it's not on the "regular" cruise schedule.

I don't know if every cruise line labels its special events occurring during the cruise, but take a look at the Plans of the Day on a Norwegian Cruise Line trip. Events labeled "Friends of Bill" are AA meetings. IIRC events labeled "Friends of Adam" or "Friends of Dorothy" are gay/lesbian socials. And now that I've learned about swinger's cruises, I guess I'll keep an eye out for "Friends of George, George, George of the Jungle" events...

Personally I enjoy cruises to have low-stress "family time", "spouse time", and "me time". Kick back, relax, enjoy the people-watching, catch up on my reading, have interesting conversations with total strangers, get into a regular workout schedule so that I can eat without conscience, and have someone else take care of the entertainment. But parsing through the passenger's roster in search of fresh meat, or planning how I'd appeal to the fresh meat, isn't exactly what I'd call "low stress"...
Interesting. I have seen the Friends of Bill event on the daily program. Never knew it was AA. Makes sense to have that on a floating temptation vessel filled to the brim with alcohol and waiters who push alcohol constantly.

Guess it makes sense to pull the theme cruises from the usual rotation. My fears are allayed. That would be pretty bad PR if a prudish family with young kids ended up on a Swingers cruise or something. Although the questions would certainly be entertaining.
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I don't know if every cruise line labels its special events occurring during the cruise, but take a look at the Plans of the Day on a Norwegian Cruise Line trip. Events labeled "Friends of Bill" are AA meetings. IIRC events labeled "Friends of Adam" or "Friends of Dorothy" are gay/lesbian socials. And now that I've learned about swinger's cruises, I guess I'll keep an eye out for "Friends of George, George, George of the Jungle" events...
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Interesting... It is perfectly acceptable for a young woman to date/marry an older gent and for older gents to drool over young things half their age, but the attraction between a young man and an older lady is "sick"? Please enlighten me.
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Interesting... It is perfectly acceptable for a young woman to date/marry an older gent and for older gents to drool over young things half their age, but the attraction between a young man and an older lady is "sick"? Please enlighten me.
Yeah, that is a pretty widespread double standard. But because women live 5-7 years longer than men on average, it would seem like older woman/younger man coupling would make more sense than the other way around, but...

I think the "old man/young woman" pairing gets more of a pass with the masses because it satisfies the stereotypes a lot of people hold dear: women as sex objects and men as sugar daddies and "success objects."
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Yeah, that is a pretty widespread double standard. But because women live 5-7 years longer than men on average, it would seem like older woman/younger man coupling would make more sense than the other way around, but...

I think the "old man/young woman" pairing gets more of a pass with the masses because it satisfies the stereotypes a lot of people hold dear: women as sex objects and men as sugar daddies and "success objects."
And women can get an education and earn their own money it just messes up the stereotypes.
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If I were a cougar and had a nice sweet cub I don't think I'd take him along to one of these cruises because I'd want to keep him away from all the other cougars! (They sound so predatory!)

Yeah - the stereotypes are just ridiculous. Still shaking my head over the original cougar thread. Maybe one day it will no longer be considered odd or somehow disgraceful for older women to "just want to have fun".

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Being to old to be the subject of Cougar attention, I'll pass on commenting.

Still I am a bit surprised to see that this woman is Miss Cougar America.
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Yes, I feel very disgraceful.

I don't think it's "sick" on the part of younger men being attracted to older women, but HaHa has stated he isn't into older women before. Just a personal preference.

But 5-7 years isn't younger to me as that's a good age spread for older women, since you guys croak a good 7 years before us. In fact, I doubt if these cougars are thinking 5-7 years is even cub bait. I don't anyway. I see that as an "equal."

15-20 years--and, yes, I've had friends who married guys that much younger--isn't so hot for a long-term relationship unless the two have some unusual and strong bonds there like similar interests and values.Frankly, one friend of mine looked like she was out with her son, since he was the same age as her daughter. It did look pretty ridiculous I have to admit, since she wasn't a particularly well-preserved cougar.
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