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Old 07-05-2011, 04:36 PM   #81
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Read my posts above regarding payload. The "tow rating" is marketing fluff and isn't a realistic indicator of what weight trailer you can attach to your truck, suv or car - unless you pull it with a tow chain that applies no weight to the tow vehicle....
Well, I did say allegedly...
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FWIW I have towed the same trailer with a nominally OK truck to test it out, and then with a truck with ample "reserve." Get a truck that's too big. You don't want the trailer to bully the truck under bad road conditions.
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Read my posts above regarding payload. The "tow rating" is marketing fluff and isn't a realistic indicator of what weight trailer you can attach to your truck, suv or car - unless you pull it with a tow chain that applies no weight to the tow vehicle....
Vehicle weighs ~5100, rating is ~6200, thus 1/2 ton... Probably want to keep hitch load under 500, which should allow 4800 trailer. Still, I'd derate by at least 10%...
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Vehicle weighs ~5100, rating is ~6200, thus 1/2 ton... Probably want to keep hitch load under 500, which should allow 4800 trailer. Still, I'd derate by at least 10%...
Does the the max payload capacity on the sticker inside your door say 1,100?
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Son has access to auctions. One coach was just posted that looks great and has very good evaluations. The only issue is that the bathroom is in the stern. DH looked at it and said pass, it isn't a convenient route.

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Does the the max payload capacity on the sticker inside your door say 1,100?
Actually, door sticker just mentions GVW, and per axle. Have to do your own research on empty weight, tow capacity, blah...

I don't think I'd want to pull more than 3000-3500 very far...
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Actually, door sticker just mentions GVW, and per axle.
There should be another federally required placard inside the door - the "Tire and Loading Information" sticker. Take a look at the very small print right above the tire inflation chart and you should see a "combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed" payload limit for your vehicle. This info is on all cars and trucks sold in the US and has been for years - although I can't find when it became mandatory for mfgs. to include them.

You can see by the example below the payload info isn't prominently displayed, but it is there.
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There should be another federally required placard inside the door - the "Tire and Loading Information" sticker. Take a look at the very small print right above the tire inflation chart and you should see a "combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed" payload limit for your vehicle. This info is on all cars and trucks sold in the US and has been for years - although I can't find when it became mandatory for mfgs. to include them.

You can see by the example below the payload info isn't prominently displayed, but it is there.
It says no such thing...

GVW is 6100, as I stated. Dry weight is around 4500; add two people, some luggage, some misc. junk, and fuel, brings us to around 5000, so around 1100 left to max. Not that you'd want to max out... As noted on the sticker in the glovebox, cargo weight rating for a slide-in is 1450?

Tow ratings are as listed in the last photo. Mine, as configured would allegedly tow 4800; with the super-duper, gee whiz package, 7800...

This has little to do with trailer-pulling capacity, other than to say the engine/trans/diff could pull that much weight. The limit on the rear axle is a bit over half of GVW, so maybe 600-650 capacity with a normally loaded truck; i.e. fuel, people, luggage, beer. Tongue weight of around 10% of trailer weight gives a trailer weight of 6000-6500 max. So, my truck should handle the rated 4800. But I wouldn't want to pull that across country. Maybe across town...
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Guess the requirement to list payload was enacted after your truck was built. I googled up some NTSB info on the payload sticker dated 2001, but it was unclear whether that was a new requirement starting that year. Apparently so.

The "cargo weight rating" in the glove box picture isn't the same as the payload number, at least not on my truck - my payload number is exactly 750 lbs more than the sated cargo weight. Not sure if the relation between the two a fixed number, a percentage, or a totally separate calculation.

The bottom line to all of this is the only way to really know the weight status is to get the truck on some scales and subtract that weight from the published GVWR for the truck. That's what I did - and learned that with a fully loaded RV trailer, a full tank of fuel, me, the DW and her bottomless purse, my truck weighed within 60 lbs of the 10,000 GVWR.

Heh, I just saw an entry on an RV forum where a RVer pulled his truck on the scales and discovered he was 2,500 lbs over his GVWR! He said it did seem to ride a little high in the front...
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Guess the requirement to list payload was enacted after your truck was built. I googled up some NTSB info on the payload sticker dated 2001, but it was unclear whether that was a new requirement starting that year. Apparently so.

The "cargo weight rating" in the glove box picture isn't the same as the payload number, at least not on my truck - my payload number is exactly 750 lbs more than the sated cargo weight. Not sure if the relation between the two a fixed number, a percentage, or a totally separate calculation.

The bottom line to all of this is the only way to really know the weight status is to get the truck on some scales and subtract that weight from the published GVWR for the truck. That's what I did - and learned that with a fully loaded RV trailer, a full tank of fuel, me, the DW and her bottomless purse, my truck weighed within 60 lbs of the 10,000 GVWR.

Heh, I just saw an entry on an RV forum where a RVer pulled his truck on the scales and discovered he was 2,500 lbs over his GVWR! He said it did seem to ride a little high in the front...
Hey, I'm a poor working man, with an eleven year old truck, not one of those newfangled models...
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Well, even the most optimistic payload rating on a half ton is only 550 pounds more than my minivan, so we may well be looking at something bigger.
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Well, even the most optimistic payload rating on a half ton is only 550 pounds more than my minivan, so we may well be looking at something bigger.
Heh, moved out west less than a week ago and already hankerin' for a bigger truck. You're gonna fit right in...
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To throw some more fuel on the fire, the GVWR on my '95 GMC K1500 (350 cu. in. eng., 4x4) is 6100 lb. per the door sticker. However, when I park next to a new GMC with stated GVWR 6200 lb. (or Ford, Dodge, Tundra for that matter), my '95 model looks like a compact truck. I have to believe the new models weigh hundreds of pounds more than my '95 model, and, therefore, the true load capacity of the new models is less.

I love my '95 GMC with 180,000 miles on the odometer, but I won't be buying another truck from Government Motors.
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However, when I park next to a new GMC with stated GVWR 6200 lb. (or Ford, Dodge, Tundra for that matter), my '95 model looks like a compact truck. I have to believe the new models weigh hundreds of pounds more than my '95 model, and, therefore, the true load capacity of the new models is less.
You are correct that they do weigh more - but that extra weight is due in part to stronger frames, bigger axles, and beefed up suspension systems which enable them to carry more payload, not less. The Detroit Truck Wars pit Dodge, Ford and GM in an ongoing battle to outdo each other. Truck capacities have increased year after year, long ago rendering the 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton truck designations meaningless.
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One more data point.

My 99 C2500 Suburban w/7.4 litre engine.

GVWR 8600 LB
GAWR 6084 LB That is rear axle load.

With me and a full tank of gas and some stuff in it shows up as 7200 LB on scales.
Edit add: fuel tank hold 45 gallons.

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Heh, moved out west less than a week ago and already hankerin' for a bigger truck. You're gonna fit right in...
Eh, I already own a big hat and silver/turquoise belt buckle. The truck and guns just complete the set.
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As I am perusing the RV.org discussion of towing they spend a lot of time discussing wheel base, relative weight of towing vs towed vehicle, and weight distributing hitches.

This is all 'guy stuff' to me but I can see that many on the road don't have well matched rigs.

I am SOOO glad that Brewer's family made it across the country safely.
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Eh, I already own a big hat and silver/turquoise belt buckle. The truck and guns just complete the set.
You're going to have to post "Greenwich Before" and "Denver After" photos...

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Actually , my van did fine towing in the flat lands. It is much bigger and heavier than the trailer, which helps.

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