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Old 06-24-2008, 06:28 PM   #21
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:12 PM   #22
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I despise the casinos, and always look for other activities when I am there on business, usually 1-2 trade shows/year.
Too bad. Poker and sports betting are God's training camp for investing.

Plus the AC is turned up, the chairs are comfy, the lights are dim, the cocktail waitresses are cute, and best of all there are banks of the worlds biggest TVs.

No better place on a Saturday in early fall. Due to time differences you can sometimes get started while you are having breakfast. Watch BC and Rutgers while you eat your bacon and eggs and fill out your parley cards for later games.

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DH did a sunset helicopter ride over the Grand Canyon (goodbye $500)
I took a plane trip over grand canyon on the way to a river trip once -- I was ok but for everyone else it was goodbye LUNCH.

I second the recommendations for Hoover Dam and North Rim of the GC. The dam tour is pretty interesting. If you can get to Zion National Park hike a little way up the Narrows -- you'll be wading in the river, and the canyon walls shade and cool you.

I've driven to Bryce and Cedar Breaks also. These parks are higher in altitude and hence, cooler -- the latter had snow on the ground in June. I don't know if busses run there.

I was in Lost Wages on business once and a client took us to the jousting tournament at Excalibur. Avoid this like the PLAGUE!!!! Nauseating food, too much noise, and a crowd you don't really want to rub elbows with.

Lastly, have a good time! Let us know what you did and how it went!
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thanks for the tip on the discount tickets! i will definitely check that out!

the excursions sound fun, but i'm still wary of the heat...maybe if we go back in the winter or spring? although it might "only" be like 108 instead of 113...hehe

i did see there is an M&M factory, so the kids will probably enjoy that (ya think?)!
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How do people who live so cheaply develop such patrician tastes?

I think I would rather not rewash refrigerator bags but settle for an ordinary level of entertainment opulence.

I saw the Lippizaners when my youngest son was little- we both loved it! I can't remember the crowd one way or another. I don't recall anyone wearing a tuxedo.

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Too bad. Poker and sports betting are God's training camp for investing.

Plus the AC is turned up, the chairs are comfy, the lights are dim, the cocktail waitresses are cute, and best of all there are banks of the worlds biggest TVs.

No better place on a Saturday in early fall. Due to time differences you can sometimes get started while you are having breakfast. Watch BC and Rutgers while you eat your bacon and eggs and fill out your parley cards for later games.

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Not for me- the casinos are too smoky; the incessant noise and lights from the slot machines makes me crazy, especially with 400 TV's going at once- it is just sensory overload, I feel like an epileptic locked in a closet with a disco ball. In my opionion, the whole casino scene is a sham, all paid for by the losers you never hear about. I do admire the hotel architecture and the world-class engineering, however.

Ever notice how many people on the plane are smiling on the way into Las Vegas and frowning on the way out? I am just the opposite, seems like I usually get a bad attitude when I am assaulted with slot machines at the airport gate, but I am smiling when I get to leave.
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In my opionion, the whole casino scene is a sham, all paid for by the losers you never hear about.
I think most of us have heard plenty about losing. But you are right about losers-casino games are based on being willing to take a bad bet, in hopes of getting a run, or probably smarter, one lucky shot. Of course many players do not understand this, just like many people in all areas of life don't really understand what underlying probabilities apply to their quest.

In my life I have probably not passed $1000 through any of these games, unless I was indirectly cashing discounted Canadian money at par or some other special case. The math on this one can be pretty good, which the Casinos eventually figured out.

But skill games like poker or sports betting are different. Like everything, there is always a cost to be borne -the rake or vig. Good bettors keep a very close eye on this. But even if the best you can do is break even, you do learn a lot about probability and reality in the world, which was my original assertion. You also get a soul level understanding of volatility. Too many investors get this only after their retirement portfolios have been badly damaged. Better for them that they had figured this out through interacting with randomness via betting.

As to the ambience- I guess it's a matter of taste. I am a fairly downscale guy, so really uncouth things have their appeal for me.

Anyway, in the better sports books down on the Strip, the books are fairly well isolated from the floor. The patrons of each type of gambling are different. For example, I have never heard a sports bettor call himself a "gamer". He knows that he is gambling.

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I'm probably in the minority, but I saw Cirque du Soleil when it was on tour, and I was bored.
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Too bad. Poker and sports betting are God's training camp for investing.
I agree I've meet many young poker players who are interested in investing. Needless to say I heard more about the stock market at the poker table before this bear market, but that true everywhere. Well maybe not on boards like this.

For risk seekers (mostly guys) the progression seems to be
Casino games
Sports betting and/or Poker
Day trading and/or options
Stocks
Active Mutual funds
Index Mutual funds

For risk avoiders (slightly more woman)
Savings accounts
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Index Mutual funds.

Of course a lot of people (like Ha Ha and myself) never progress.

But gamblers definitely learn about variance much early than typical investors.
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my top picks in vegas are: splurge (under $70 for 2) for dinner at 4 queens for a nice night out, hilton buffet(off strip) - free beer/wine and oysters at the buffet, and hoffbrauh house (near hard rock) cuz i want some german beer. Otherwise I hike Red Rock Canyon or a unmarked trail by Lake Mead. I do drop some dough in the slots and usually work it up to $20 gain before i cash out but its not a big attraction for me.
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You all have convinced me NEVER to go to Vegas. On the few occasions I have walked through casinos, I just don't get it. I hate extreme heat, and manufactured environments have no appeal for me.
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i'm with meadbh. i've seen pictures. seen some on t.v. that's close enough for me. i don't like even disney. but a day in a real city like new york, that i love.

i've been in a casino once with family in the bahamas. i noticed immediately on our way in that not one person leaving that place was smiling. all those lights and shiny machines don't fool me. look into the faces there. you will find no glitter.
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hey hey! I said it's not my favorite place either - but it will be my only shot at a real vacation in the next quarter or so...so i'm trying to put on a happy face!
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But it's a DRY extreme heat!
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hey hey! I said it's not my favorite place either - but it will be my only shot at a real vacation in the next quarter or so...so i'm trying to put on a happy face!
oops, sorry, my bad.

i hear they have lots of all you can eat buffets.
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hey hey! I said it's not my favorite place either - but it will be my only shot at a real vacation in the next quarter or so...so i'm trying to put on a happy face!
Well, maybe it'll be so bad, it'll be good!
At least you can go to see the Grand Canyon!

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hey hey! I said it's not my favorite place either - but it will be my only shot at a real vacation in the next quarter or so...so i'm trying to put on a happy face!

The bright part is you'll have help with your kids and lots of great pools to hang out in .
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The bright part is you'll have help with your kids and lots of great pools to hang out in .
Yes! that I look forward to! the 5 year old has been in swim lessons so she's eager to show off her new skills! It will be fun, i'm just being a grump!

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Missed the thread topic.

Are you Canajun eh?
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Yes! that I look forward to! the 5 year old has been in swim lessons so she's eager to show off her new skills! It will be fun, i'm just being a grump!

Any other food recommendations are appreciated...
Ate at Emerils Delmonico steak house in Vegas. Food was excellent so was the service. Ill go back someday.
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