Clinton to Richardson: 'Barack Obama Can't Win'

[Milton]

Originally Posted by kathyet

Do you really think there is a difference between any of these presidential hopefuls? How does New World Order hit you!!! How does Bilderberg Group hit you..Corporate Elitists sounds about right to me. But then if you like whats going on in this Country that's okay too..ever try googling any of this?

You forgot to mention that Mayor Joe Quimby is just the establishment stooge of Montgomery Burns ... and Chief Wiggum is in Fat Tony's pocket, too!

[Wags]

My Way com - Clinton regrets RFK assassination remark

My Way News - Clinton regrets RFK assassination remark

Excerpt from the article

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton quickly apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy in defending her decision to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.

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Breitbart.tv » ‘Remember Bobby Kennedy’: Hillary Dismisses Calls to Drop Out, Raises Assassination Issue

Is this a sign of des·per·a·tion as Mrs. Clinton attempts to justify why she is still in the race?

Or can the reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination be attributed to a slip of the old tongue?

God Bless Us All

[youbet]

Why should Hillary drop out when the DNC is unwilling to publicly announce that Barack is the winner and she is not?

[Wags]

Excellent Op-ed piece in the Daily News - Hillary Clinton's colossal blunder simply the last straw

Hillary Clinton's colossal blunder simply the last straw

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SICK. Disgusting. And yet revealing. Hillary Clinton is staying in the race in the event some nut kills Barack Obama.

It could happen, but what definitely has happened is that Clinton has killed her own chances of being vice president. She doesn't deserve to be elected dog catcher anywhere now.

Her shocking comment to a South Dakota newspaper might qualify as the dumbest thing ever said in American politics.

Her lame explanation that she brought up the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy because his brother Ted's illness was on her mind doesn't cut it. Not even close.

We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way. Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?

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A slip of the old tongue or Des·per·a·tion?

God Bless Us All

[youbet]

Out of curiosity, I watched the Hillary tape where she mentioned Bobby Kennedy's assasination. Trying to answer the question as to why there seems to be a conspiracy to push her out of the race while it's still close, she said she couldn't understand ending it early and was listing examples of past presidential candidates who were still actively compaigning in June. One of her examples was Bobby Kenndy who she said was still actively campaigning in June when he was assasinated. Her point was clearly that it's historically common for primary candicates to still be campaigning in June and not that his assasination opened the door for another Dem candidate.

I watched a second time to trying to see how someone could interpret her comments as meaning she was hoping Barack would be assasinated so she could win the nomination. It's just not there. The context was the timeframe and that it's not unusual for presidential nominations to still be contested in June.

I think it's obvious the same folks that are asking her to step aside before the final outcome has been decided are the same ones who are making the erroneous interpretations regarding her remarks.

I am curious about the push by Barack supporters for her to bow out when she is in a close race and the outcome should really be determined on the convention floor. Are there more skeletons in Barack's closet which could appear? His supporters want her gone if and when that happens? Is the DNC trying to avoid having to make decisions about the Fla and Mich delegates? Is Barack having to reveal too much detail about his positions on controversial issues while she's still in the race? I just don't know. Why does the Barack camp feel she should bow out while the race is close and it's chronologically early ref earlier primary campaigns?"

[samclem]

Yes, but . . . In previous years a lot more delegates were still up for grabs in June. We're pretty close to done at this point.

But your point is valid: Barak Obama will not have won enough delegates to have won the nomination at the time of the convention. Which is EXACTLY the same place Hillary Clinton is. Neither one has enough delegates. So, let's see this convention do what it is supposed to do: Pick a candidate to run as the Democratic Party nominee.

No, I don't like Hillary. Still, no one can say she hasn't been a trouper for the Democratic Party over many decades. It's unseemly to push her over the edge--or to urge her to jump. If Obama can't take the relatively minor scrubbing he's getting from Clinton now, he sure won't hold up to the steel brush he'll get once this campaign really begins.

[youbet]

Originally Posted by samclem

Yes, but . . . In previous years a lot more delegates were still up for grabs in June. We're pretty close to done at this point.

Yes....... so isn't it time for the DNC to make a decision?

But your point is valid: Barak Obama will not have won enough delegates to have won the nomination at the time of the convention. Which is EXACTLY the same place Hillary Clinton is. Neither one has enough delegates. So, let's see this convention do what it is supposed to do: Pick a candidate to run as the Democratic Party nominee.

There ya go. I agree. The DNC is acting like our Democratic Congress. Elected to bring change and action but sitting on their hands.

No, I don't like Hillary. Still, no one can say she hasn't been a trouper for the Democratic Party over many decades. It's unseemly to push her over the edge--or to urge her to jump. If Obama can't take the relatively minor scrubbing he's getting from Clinton now, he sure won't hold up to the steel brush he'll get once this campaign really begins.

That's why I'm wondering why he and his camp seem so obcessed with having her voluntarily bow out. What are they worried about?

The point of my post, however, is that those saying that Hillary is hoping Barack is assasinated like Bobby Kennedy so she gets the nomination are really doing some creative listening. It's just not what she said. I'm no Hillary fan and she would be my 4th choice of the current candidates, but in all fairness, she just didn't say that. Go watch the tape.

And I'm suspicious why Barack's camp is pushing that interpretation. What's their big concern over Hillary not dropping out? What are they hiding?

[ERD50]

Originally Posted by youbet

That's why I'm wondering why he and his camp seem so obcessed with having her voluntarily bow out. What are they worried about?

Well, I have heard/read that the concern is more a democratic party concern. As long as Clinton and Obama have to duke it out, they end up bringing up issues that could be used against them by the Rs. I think Clinton has got the message to drop the negative attacks on Obama, but stuff can happen. Better to unify against the opponent than fight among yourselves. And, I'm sure they ALL would rather use the money against McCain than against each other.

So that leads to your other point, why doesn't the DNC just decide? I think that is simple, they are wimps don't want to offend anyone. They are playing it safe - essentially waiting until their decision isn't a decision at all.

As to the Kennedy comment. I did end up watching the interview on-line. I cant read her mind of course, but it seemed clear to me that the point was that Kennedy was still in the race in June. But man, for a professional politician, supposedly among the best, it was a really poor way to put it. And, she had used it before a few weeks ago, before Ted Kennedy's health problems were in the news (she said that was why the Kennedy's are on everyone's mind right now, and why she mentioned it - Or was it the sniper fire that confused her?). I mean, just talk about how many races went into June, why use the word 'assassination' in there. Very odd, but I'm not willing to put the spin on it that some are. That from a person with a strong dislike for HRC.

-ERD50

[TromboneAl]

I watched a second time to trying to see how someone could interpret her comments as meaning she was hoping Barack would be assasinated so she could win the nomination. It's just not there.

Same here. I watched it and it was obvious that she was just making the point that RFK was still campaigning in June.

The author of that article says this "Hillary Clinton is staying in the race in the event some nut kills Barack Obama."

It makes no sense to say that she is staying in because Obama might be assassinated. Let's say she dropped out, and Obama were killed. There's no reason why she still couldn't be the nominee.

Did the author not realize that??

What's more troubling is that she says she "Doesn't know" why people want her to drop out.

[youbet]

Yeah..... it's very strange. Just one of those times where the criticism is so out of whack that it makes you wonder about the critic. Clearly the "Hillary wants Barack assassinated" talk has it's roots in the Barack camp. As ERD50 said, Hillary spoke awkwardly but in no way implied she was looking for a Barack Assassination.

Of course, lot's of folks won't bother to look at the tape so there is always the possibility that Barack will have his way and be able to sell himself as the near-matyr who is running despite Hillary's attempts to have him killed!

To be clear, I'm not a Hillary supporter. And I think her hubby is a dud. Rather this accusation on the part of the Barack camp has me wondering about Barack. He's my senator, I have no gripe about how he has served so far......did well with earmarks, etc. But I'm having trouble grasping an understanding of him that allows me to vision how he'll handle our varous issues. This accusation that Hillary wants him killed, or is staying in the race hoping he'll be killed, after watching what she actually said, leaves me wondering even more.

[Gumby]

Actually, there was no "accusation on the part of the Barack camp". Here are Senator Obama's words on the topic --

"I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make and I think that is what happened here. Senator Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it and I will take her at her word on that."

Hyperventilation on the part of certain Obama supporters is not the official position of the Obama campaign. You should not conflate the two.

I personally do not believe that Clinton wants Obama to suffer any physical harm, not even unconsciously (although a nice juicy scandal would suit her just fine). I do believe that her choice of words was extremely stupid and displays a tone-deafness that is unbefitting a president. Someone in her position must be extraordinarily sensitive to what she says, or even implies, as Henry II learned when he famously lamented "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest."

[ERD50]

I agree 100% with Gumby above. I think it is a real st-r-e-e-e-e-e-t-ch to lay this on the 'Obama camp'. Maybe, some over-zealous supporters, more likely some reporters/bloggers looking for a juicy headline, maybe both.

Gumby nailed it with the 'sensitivity' comments. Think about it - you just simply do NOT throw out the word 'assassination' casually, especially when your husband was President. You (or at least Hillary should) THINK before that word comes out. It's just not the kind of word that rolls off the tongue.

I'm willing to cut ALL the candidates some slack on their choice of words from time to time. They are under a microscope 24/7, any human will slip up when the microphone is on. But this is just weird to have been spoken twice.

You know, the more I type, the more I'm convincing myself that just maybe there is some subliminal meaning to her using the term, and thinking about that sad event. Let's face it, she is desperate at this point. It might be clouding her ability to keep it in check.

-ERD50

[samclem]

The DNC should be gleeful about the present state of things. Obama and Clinton are in the news every day. This is free publicity, and both Obama and Clinton are free to use their air time to bash McCain and put the DNC's talking points front and center with the American public--for free. Meanwhile, McCain would have to have a baby to get on page 8 of the Morristown Bargain Hunter Gazette.

Sure, the convention will be contentious--better TV ratings!

The only challenge is that the DNC leadership and the superdelegates will eventually need to make a decision and take a little heat. Seems a price they'd willingly pay if they were putting their party's interest ahead of their own comfort.

[youbet]

Originally Posted by Gumby

Actually, there was no "accusation on the part of the Barack camp".

Barack's operatives and machine are pushing the concept of her wanting Barack to be assassinated. Really makes me question what's going on there. Of course, much of the same thing going on out of Hillary's camp too. I guess the party is just full of it during this emotional campaign.

Here are Senator Obama's words on the topic --

"I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make and I think that is what happened here. Senator Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it and I will take her at her word on that."

How condescending of Barack to speak for the Kennedys. Hillary did not mention Barack in her comments. She was talking about prior candidates who had continued to run into June, including RFK at the time of his assassination. This forgiving statement made by Barack shows his thinking. She mentions RFK still running his campaign in June and his assassination and he assumes somehow she's talking about him and that he needs to forgive her. His statement clearly indicates his position that she is thinking about him (Barack) being assassinated. Otherwise, what is he forgiving her for?

Hyperventilation on the part of certain Obama supporters is not the official position of the Obama campaign. You should not conflate the two.

Something very wrong is going on with Barack that he is personally directing this idiotic interpretation of Hillary's remards. That troubles me as he is a strong contender to be president.

I agree that Hillary made a mistake, thinking out loud, as she used her remembrance of the assassination to remind her of the date (June) that RFK was still campaigning. But Hillary is pretty much out of the race. I'm concerned about Barack and his use of this tactic when he is a strong contender for our highest office.[/quote]

[ERD50]

Originally Posted by youbet

I'm concerned about Barack and his use of this tactic when he is a strong contender for our highest office.

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I suspect he was just responding to the media statements that linked the two.

-ERD50

[youbet]

I suspect he was just responding to the media statements that linked the two.

-ERD50[/quote]

At a minimum then, he is embracing the media statements. He feels the need to forgive Hillary and does so publicly. For what? What implication is he validating with his - I heard her but I forgive her- speech?

I'm seldom a conspiracy supporter. But there is something going on here. He's desperate for her to concede instead of taking the fight to a proper conclusion on the convention floor. He gives credence to idiotic interpretations of his opponents interviews (if in fact he didn't initiate the interpretation himself through his operatives). I'm just wondering if there isn't something he/his operatives are worried will pop up if the battle continues to the convention.

I'm as ready for change as anyone else around here. But with both houses controlled by the Dems, Barack is likely to get whatever he wants, however he wants it. If making this interpretation of Hillary's RFK assassination comment (or simply intentionally adding credence to the interpretatons through his speech of forgiveness) is a part of what he's all about, it's a worry.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by youbet

Something very wrong is going on with Barack that he is personally directing this idiotic interpretation of Hillary's remards.

[/quote]

I'd sure like to see your evidence that Obama is personally directing any of the media and blogosphere uproar. I seriously doubt it.