Clinton to Richardson: 'Barack Obama Can't Win'

[TromboneAl]

I am sure that this is not a good time for Mr. Clinton - I hope that he does not have a cow over this.

Me neither, we all saw how much trouble that caused last time.

[youbet]

Originally Posted by Wags

I think Mr. Edwards might help Mr. Obama with the blue collar vote.

Someone needs to..... Barrack just reeks of disdain for "Joe Toolbox" and doesn't seem to be able to even fake his way through showing simple tolerance. Edwards would help with that problem as Barrack could then just zip it on that subject.......

I figure that right now the general election is Barrack's to lose. With a reasonable campaign, he should win handily given GWB's low approval ratings. Barrack and his handlers need to understand that and play the game to hold the lead as risklessly as possible. The VP selection should reflect that.

[ERD50]

Originally Posted by youbet

I figure that right now the general election is Barrack's to lose. With a reasonable campaign, he should win handily given GWB's low approval ratings.

You underestimate the Dems recent ability to lose elections that are essentially handed to them on a silver platter.

It's probably all those disgruntled lefties moving to Canada - there is nobody left (pun intended!) here in the US to vote for a liberal.

-ERD50

[Milton]

Originally Posted by ERD50

You underestimate the Dems recent ability to lose elections that are essentially handed to them on a silver platter.

If 2004 didn't prove that, nothing will.

[youbet]

Originally Posted by Milton

If 2004 didn't prove that, nothing will.

Well...... that was their lame "anybody but Bush" slogan. What dingalings. A slogan that made hard core party loyalists feel good but made independents wonder what it said about their candidate. I think they've learned their lesson.

Their final analysis ref the 2004 loss was a little bewildering though...... They said they did everything right and had the perfect candidate. The problem was that the voters were stupid. Again, I think they've learned their lesson and will listen to a wider spectrum of the electorate and not just party regulars whose votes they have in their pocket anyway.

[ERD50]

Originally Posted by youbet

I think they've learned their lesson.

You may be giving them too much credit.

At any rate, I personally think that a Obama-vs-McCain campaign will be more interesting than anything we've seen in a while.

I'm not much of a political analyst, but do I have this right? McCain is going to need to try to appeal to moderates to catch some swing votes of the more conservative Dems. And Obama is going to need to also appeal to moderates, being labeled the 'most liberal Senator'.

If that seems about correct, it seems like all this hoopla over the fundamentalist-bible-belt-right-wing-ultra-conservative minority running the show is fading. Did they have their 15 minutes (well, Ok - 8 years) of fame?


-ERD50

[Marquette]

Originally Posted by ERD50

I'm not much of a political analyst, but do I have this right? McCain is going to need to try to appeal to moderates to catch some swing votes of the more conservative Dems. And Obama is going to need to also appeal to moderates, being labeled the 'most liberal Senator'.

Between McCain's support for the gas tax holiday and his desire to push for a cap and trade system for emission control (which I thought was part of his 2003 bill?), I'd say he's trying to pander quite well to at least two groups and hoping at least one of them can't spell causality.

[youbet]

Originally Posted by ERD50

You may be giving them too much credit.

Could be I suppose. Admittedly, when I was active with the party, it was with the Chicago Dems (the true Dems) not the folks running the DNC today.

At any rate, I personally think that a Obama-vs-McCain campaign will be more interesting than anything we've seen in a while.

Yeah, I'm thinking about cancelling my cable tv subscription until it's over....

I'm not much of a political analyst, but do I have this right? McCain is going to need to try to appeal to moderates to catch some swing votes of the more conservative Dems. And Obama is going to need to also appeal to moderates, being labeled the 'most liberal Senator'.

Seems that way. Actually, Barrack should be able to win with just party loyal Dems and Bush weary moderates....... unless he says something to alarm moderates.

If that seems about correct, it seems like all this hoopla over the fundamentalist-bible-belt-right-wing-ultra-conservative minority running the show is fading. Did they have their 15 minutes (well, Ok - 8 years) of fame?

Apparently so. They had their impact and their moment in the sun....... Now with Barrack and his very liberal views, we'll get a dose of the other end of the spectrum. The pendelum swings through mid-point very quickly....... That's why I turned Independent years ago.

[ERD50]

Originally Posted by youbet

Could be I suppose. Admittedly, when I was active with the party, it was with the Chicago Dems (the true Dems) not the folks running the DNC today.

Chicago Dems! Now dat's a hawse of a diff-run cullah! Dose Dems were paht uf da 'City Dat Werked' - a real political machine.

I imagine either of the Daley's could run political circles around the current national Dem leaders. Neither would (have) want(ed) the added scrutiny and headaches, when they can be perfectly happy as 'King uf Chi-ca-ga'.

-ERD50

[youbet]

Originally Posted by ERD50

Chicago Dems! Now dat's a hawse of a diff-run cullah! Dose Dems were paht uf da 'City Dat Werked' - a real political machine.

I imagine either of the Daley's could run political circles around the current national Dem leaders. Neither would (have) want(ed) the added scrutiny and headaches, when they can be perfectly happy as 'King uf Chi-ca-ga'.

-ERD50

Yep...... Dose were da days!

With my dad, his brother and his sister's husband all working for the city, Daley's picture was on the wall in our living room and I spent lots of hours handling little political duties for my dad in the neighborhood.

A well oiled machine functions when you need it.

[Wags]

Bloomberg.com - Edwards's Endorsement of Obama Starts `Al Gore Watch' (Update1)

Bloomberg.com: News

I guess the watch is on to see who the GREAT Al Gore will endorse.

If I was a betting man I would have to say that he would endorse Mr. Obama.

God Bless Us All

[Notmuchlonger]

The great Al Gore should run as an independent.

[Wags]

Politico.com - Hillary turns fire on media

Hillary turns fire on media - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com

Excerpts from the article

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign is increasingly aiming its punches not at her front-running opponent Barack Obama, but at the media.

On the campaign trail, in a new ad and in her meetings with donors and superdelegates, she blasts the D.C. punditocracy for counting her out and urges anyone who’ll listen to ignore the hardening storyline that places Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee.

The goal is twofold. Clinton, a New York senator, wants to stanch the flow of uncommitted superdelegates to Obama, an Illinois senator, by convincing them she can still win the nomination. She also wants to generate a protest vote in the four states that have yet to hold primaries, as well as in Puerto Rico.

The Clinton camp believes a media backlash drove up turnout among her supporters in West Virginia, which last week delivered a landslide 67 percent to 26 percent victory for her.

End of excerpts.

Who will Mrs. Clinton blame next?

I do not think that the Clintons will ride off into the sunset without a fight and a pound of flesh.

Notmuchlonger, maybe we need to change his name from the GREAT Al Gore to SUPER GORE. Nice picture of Mr. Gore flying through the sky in those blue tights.

God Bless Us All

[Milton]

Originally Posted by Wags

I do not think that the Clintons will ride off into the sunset without a fight and a pound of flesh.

You and me both!

Clinton, a New York senator, wants to stanch the flow of uncommitted superdelegates to Obama, an Illinois senator, by convincing them she can still win the nomination.

Personally, I don't see anything anti-democratic about the Democrats' use of 'superdelegates' [Superdelegates: Why they matter - CNN.com]. It does seem unnecessarily complicated, though.

And if the 'superdelegates' have the power to choose a candidate notwithstanding the contrary views of a majority of the run-of-the-mill delegates, I dunno why they bother with the pretense of allowing a popular vote: it seems like a big waste of time and money.

[FinanceDude]

Obama as Prez will make all Dems WISH that there no term limits for William Jefferson Clinton...........

[ERD50]

Originally Posted by FinanceDude

Obama as Prez will make all Dems WISH that there no term limits for William Jefferson Clinton...........

?

-ERD50

[kathyet]

Do you really think there is a difference between any of these presidential hopefuls? How does New World Order hit you!!! How does Bilderberg Group hit you..Corporate Elitists sounds about right to me. But then if you like whats going on in this Country that's okay too..ever try googling any of this?

Think you have a say in our elections, maybe or maybe not..they all make me sick wouldn't give a dime for any politician they all have thier own agenda and their interest is not for us. Unless they need our vote. then they are your friend.

Conspiracy theory okay, you may say that but something isn't right with all that is going on and the apathy or cluelessness of our citizens truly amazes me.

Kathyet
My one rant of the year!!!

[Texarkandy]

How 'bout if Obama gets assasinated by a whacked out white separatist & McCain has a severe stroke & has to drop out - so then we are left with Hillary & Ron Paul (both of whom, btw, are still officially in the race)

Now there's an interesting election.

[Wags]

Originally Posted by TromboneAl

Me neither, we all saw how much trouble that caused last time.

Hey there is nothing wrong with having a cow as long as they are not wearing a blue dress or a pants suit.

YouTube - Who Let the Cows Out

YouTube - Dancing with the cows

I beleive the party is over and it is time for the Clintons to head to the barn for a well deserved rest.

God Bless Us All

[cashbalancetrouble]

Just remeber why Hillary lost the nomination, or better put, why Obama wins the nomination. The changes in the election laws have made the Obama campeign possible. One has to look no father thatn the single state of Texas.

In Texas, Hilliary won the popular vote and got fewer delegates. Obama won the caucuses and got more delegates. The conclusion might be a "more vocal" part of the population wins, but this is wrong. It simply comes down to what I will call "CLOSE MOTOR-VATION".

The Obama tactic has been to move the large part of his supporters to vote early. He has provided buses. The largest part of his support comes from the dense population areas where a high percentage of delegates can be awarded from. A check of the map showing why Obama receives 99 delegates to Clintons 94 in Texas indicates Obama won are the dense counties in the cities. This same get out the vote tactic worked in large cities around the country where early voting was allowed and where the caucuses could be dominated by 'trucked in supporters'.

We have learned in school levy elections, the fixed income will dominate the general elections and lead to levy failures. So if you want pass a school levy you must have a special election like a primary and motivate the students parents by taking away sports and their childrens buses. This works 95% of the time.

The big question is what will happen in the November election? Who will be motivated? It will be a huge turnout, by far a record. But it will be a lanslide for one side and the other will say they were cheated again. How do you spell upset ... RIOTS!

It will be very nice being retired and staying at home. I have a generator to turn on the power for the little I need. I only wish I had a bigger space for a garden but I am already thinking about replacing my nice suburban law next spring with corn.