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Arc · 04-05-2008, 08:34 AM

Wags,
Seems you are now in a better position to talk about running through sniper fire than Hillary! Stay strong - you are right on principle - just slightly mistaken on politics.

Might you consider the other side?

YouTube - The Doors - Break On Through

FinanceDude · 04-05-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ERD50

Chicago was referred to by MLK as the most segregated city in the USA.

Chicago had a black Mayor, and a women Mayor quite a few years ago. If Chicago could do it back then, why not the USA today?

It would be a first for either category for the Presidency. I'm not sure it makes a big difference which happens first. The fact that we have serious nominees representing each is significant, IMO.

-ERD50

There's a big difference between a black mayor and a black president in many people's eyes.....how many black governors are there? Seems to me being a governor or Senator is the ticket to get on the Presidential campaign trail............

ERD50 · 04-05-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FinanceDude

There's a big difference between a black mayor and a black president in many people's eyes.....how many black governors are there? Seems to me being a governor or Senator is the ticket to get on the Presidential campaign trail............

Agreed. My point is that some time has passed since that happened. I think we are 'ready'.

-ERD50

Wags · 04-05-2008, 02:27 PM

40 years ago or even 4 years ago I would have said NO but with the recent running of Hillary and Obama in the Democratic primaries, I now believe that the possibility does exist.

GOD BLESS US ALL

Wags · 04-05-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Arc

Wags,
Seems you are now in a better position to talk about running through sniper fire than Hillary! Stay strong - you are right on principle - just slightly mistaken on politics.

Might you consider the other side?

YouTube - The Doors - Break On Through

Arc,

It is nice to hear from you again. Hey a little sniper fire never hurt anyone as long as you do not get shot in the butt.

There's nothing wrong with being slighty wrong on the politics as long as there is a little wiggle room for some compromise.

As an independent I vote for Republicans, Democratics, Independents, etc..., etc...... it all depends on the issues.

Jim Morrison and the Doors pure gold.

Has anyone heard from the love sick Leonardo?

GOD BLESS US ALL

Arc · 04-05-2008, 04:51 PM

Wags,
Speak of the devil - I believe Leonardo is back with a recent post on the "20 Years to Go" thread. It must be true that time heals all wounds. I'm guessing you can find a youtube video that is fitting.

Texarkandy · 04-05-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ERD50

Chicago was referred to by MLK as the most segregated city in the USA.

IMO - many of our large cities are, always have been, and will continue to be pretty segregated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERD50

Chicago had a black Mayor, and a women Mayor quite a few years ago. If Chicago could do it back then, why not the USA today? It would be a first for either category for the Presidency.

Is that supposed to be a reason to vote for either Hill or BO for Prez?

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Originally Posted by ERD50

I'm not sure it makes a big difference which happens first.

I'm not sure it makes a big difference if either ever happens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERD50

The fact that we have serious nominees representing each is significant, IMO.
-ERD50

Significant how? (in terms of the operations of the federal govt, foreign policy, economic policy, etc?)

ERD50 · 04-05-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Texarkandy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERD50

Chicago was referred to by MLK as the most segregated city in the USA.

IMO - many of our large cities are, always have been, and will continue to be pretty segregated.

Until they aren't. No predictions from me on if/when, but many places ar more integrated than they were in the past.

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Originally Posted by Texarkandy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERD50

Chicago had a black Mayor, and a women Mayor quite a few years ago. If Chicago could do it back then, why not the USA today? It would be a first for either category for the Presidency.

Is that supposed to be a reason to vote for either Hill or BO for Prez?

No, not a reason at all. Just an observation. IMO, people should vote for whomever they think is the most qualified, regardless of race/gender.

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Originally Posted by Texarkandy

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Originally Posted by ERD50

I'm not sure it makes a big difference which happens first.

I'm not sure it makes a big difference if either ever happens.

Considering that females make up about half the population, and blacks make up X% (I'm too lazy to look it up), I think it should be reasonable to expect it to happen - sometime.

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Originally Posted by Texarkandy

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Originally Posted by ERD50

The fact that we have serious nominees representing each is significant, IMO.
-ERD50

Significant how? (in terms of the operations of the federal govt, foreign policy, economic policy, etc?)

Only significant as a sign that the American public is 'ready' for a minority and/or female president.

Remember, the context of my posts were in answer to FD's question:

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That's not a race or gender question, it's a societal one.........

not a comment on the suitability of these particular candidates.

-ERD50

PS - boy this forum SW sure makes it hard to embed the previous posters quotes. This SW is on other forums I visit, and it automatically embeds the previous quotes. Why not here?

Wags · 04-05-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Arc

Wags,
Speak of the devil - I believe Leonardo is back with a recent post on the "20 Years to Go" thread. It must be true that time heals all wounds. I'm guessing you can find a youtube video that is fitting.

Arc, here is video for our old friend Leonardo.

YouTube - Bread - Lost Without Your Love

I hope that this song will bring some comfort to the poor devil and to any other love struck devils (like myself).

GOD BLESS US ALL

Wags · 04-06-2008, 02:56 PM

NY Times article - Ohio Hospital Contests a Story Clinton Tells

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us...nt&oref=slogin

Excerpts from the article

Over the last five weeks, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has featured in her campaign stump speeches the story of a health care horror: an uninsured pregnant woman who lost her baby and died herself after being denied care by an Ohio hospital because she could not come up with a $100 fee.

The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured.

“We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story,” said Rick Castrop, chief executive officer of the O’Bleness Health System.

End of excerpts.

First it was the alleged Bosnia sniper fire, then it was the problems with Gov. Richardson's endorsement of Obama and now it's the less then truthful account of a story involving a lady who passed away.

One has to wonder what half truths or embellishments of the facts will come out next.

GOD BLESS US ALL

ERD50 · 04-06-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wags

First it was the alleged Bosnia sniper fire, then it was the problems with Gov. Richardson's endorsement of Obama and now it's the less then truthful account of a story involving a lady who passed away.

One has to wonder what half truths or embellishments of the facts will come out next.

GOD BLESS US ALL

Maybe Hillary is the one in the family that *does* inhale!

-ERD50

Wags · 04-07-2008, 08:57 AM

USA Today - Clinton chief strategist steps aside

Clinton chief strategist steps aside - USATODAY.com

Excerpts from the article

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, waging an intense fight for working-class voters in Pennsylvania, replaced her chief campaign strategist, Mark Penn, on Sunday following the disclosure that he was working to push a trade deal that Clinton opposes.

Penn, who also serves as chief executive of the giant public relations and lobbying firm Burson-Marsteller, met with Colombian officials last week to help develop a strategy to move the Colombian Free Trade agreement through Congress. Clinton and Democratic rival Barack Obama oppose the deal.

End of excerpts.

It just keeps on getting worse and worse for Hillary and Bill.

GOD BLESS US ALL

Wags · 04-07-2008, 04:00 PM

A great article by Armstrong Williams on Townhall. com - Clinton Fails to Pay the Bills

Townhall.com::Clinton Fails to Pay the Bills::By Armstrong Williams

Excerpts from the article

There’s truth in the adage “don’t talk the talk if you can’t walk the walk.” This week, the Clinton campaign continues to talk the talk, but have somehow tripped (okay, fell on their faces) over Hillarycare…I mean health care. Although Clinton pronounces it as her passion, news reports out this week indicate she has left $292,000 worth of her own employee’s health insurance premiums unpaid.

What Hillary seems to have forgotten was that “free” healthcare isn’t really free; someone has to pay for it and in this case, it’s her. If her presidential campaign budget can’t handle the cost of health care on this small scale, how does she expect taxpayers to manage that same health program for all Americans? When you stop and look at the litany of domestic programs she’s proposing and the billion dollar price tags that come with them, I suspect she’s not too worried about paying the bills.

Further proof of her unwillingness (or incapability) to pay the bills comes in the form of IOUs. According to sources the cash-strapped Clinton campaign has failed to pay hundreds of various bills over the last few months. Reports are coming from landlords, cleaning services, event coordinators, consultants, pollsters, and caterers about Clinton’s refusal to pay what she owes. To be fair, all presidential candidates during election races have some amount of unpaid bills on the ledger, but the size of Clinton’s debt is staggering.

The Politico reports, “Clinton’s biggest debts are to pollster and chief strategist Mark Penn, who’s owed $2.5 million; direct mail company MSHC Partners, which is owed $807,000; phone-banking firm Spoken Hub, which is waiting for $771,000; and ad maker Mandy Grunwald, who’s owed $467,000.”

End of excerpts.

Hey, I do not always agree with Mr. Armstrong's political views but this artilcle hits right on the money.

GOD BLESS US ALL

clifp · 04-07-2008, 04:55 PM

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Hey, I do not always agree with Mr. Armstrong's political views but this artilcle hits right on the money.

LOL Wags, I think that is an understatement. But I am happy you are quoting townhall.com and Mr. Armstrong.

Good chance I'll remind you of this in the general election.

BoutDone · 04-07-2008, 05:24 PM

Wags,

I think you are ready for the Hillary Project.

Hillary Clinton - The Hillary Clinton Project and Wiki

Enjoy.

Wags · 04-07-2008, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoutDone

Wags,

I think you are ready for the Hillary Project.

Hillary Clinton - The Hillary Clinton Project and Wiki

Enjoy.

BoutDone,

Do you think I am ready for it?

GOD BLESS US ALL

BoutDone · 04-07-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wags

BoutDone,

Do you think I am ready for it?

GOD BLESS US ALL

Oh yeah - You are there!

04-05-2008, 02:27 PM	#44
Wags Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 961	40 years ago or even 4 years ago I would have said NO but with the recent running of Hillary and Obama in the Democratic primaries, I now believe that the possibility does exist. GOD BLESS US ALL __________________ *War is a poor chisel to carve out tomorrow. -* *Martin Luther King Jr.* Seek peace, and pursue it. - Psalms 34:14 Be kind to unkind people - they need it the most - by Ashleigh Brilliant.

04-06-2008, 02:56 PM	#50
Wags Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 961	Ohio Hospital Contests a Story Clinton Tells NY Times article - Ohio Hospital Contests a Story Clinton Tells http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us...nt&oref=slogin Excerpts from the article Over the last five weeks, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has featured in her campaign stump speeches the story of a health care horror: an uninsured pregnant woman who lost her baby and died herself after being denied care by an Ohio hospital because she could not come up with a $100 fee. The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured. “We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story,” said Rick Castrop, chief executive officer of the O’Bleness Health System. End of excerpts. First it was the alleged Bosnia sniper fire, then it was the problems with Gov. Richardson's endorsement of Obama and now it's the less then truthful account of a story involving a lady who passed away. One has to wonder what half truths or embellishments of the facts will come out next. GOD BLESS US ALL __________________ *War is a poor chisel to carve out tomorrow. -* *Martin Luther King Jr.* Seek peace, and pursue it. - Psalms 34:14 Be kind to unkind people - they need it the most - by Ashleigh Brilliant.

04-07-2008, 08:57 AM	#52
Wags Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 961	USA Today - Clinton chief strategist steps aside Clinton chief strategist steps aside - USATODAY.com Excerpts from the article Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, waging an intense fight for working-class voters in Pennsylvania, replaced her chief campaign strategist, Mark Penn, on Sunday following the disclosure that he was working to push a trade deal that Clinton opposes. Penn, who also serves as chief executive of the giant public relations and lobbying firm Burson-Marsteller, met with Colombian officials last week to help develop a strategy to move the Colombian Free Trade agreement through Congress. Clinton and Democratic rival Barack Obama oppose the deal. End of excerpts. It just keeps on getting worse and worse for Hillary and Bill. GOD BLESS US ALL __________________ *War is a poor chisel to carve out tomorrow. -* *Martin Luther King Jr.* Seek peace, and pursue it. - Psalms 34:14 Be kind to unkind people - they need it the most - by Ashleigh Brilliant.

04-07-2008, 04:00 PM	#53
Wags Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 961	A great article by Armstrong Williams on Townhall. com - Clinton Fails to Pay the Bills Townhall.com::Clinton Fails to Pay the Bills::By Armstrong Williams Excerpts from the article There’s truth in the adage “don’t talk the talk if you can’t walk the walk.” This week, the Clinton campaign continues to talk the talk, but have somehow tripped (okay, fell on their faces) over Hillarycare…I mean health care. Although Clinton pronounces it as her passion, news reports out this week indicate she has left $292,000 worth of her own employee’s health insurance premiums unpaid. What Hillary seems to have forgotten was that “free” healthcare isn’t really free; someone has to pay for it and in this case, it’s her. If her presidential campaign budget can’t handle the cost of health care on this small scale, how does she expect taxpayers to manage that same health program for all Americans? When you stop and look at the litany of domestic programs she’s proposing and the billion dollar price tags that come with them, I suspect she’s not too worried about paying the bills. Further proof of her unwillingness (or incapability) to pay the bills comes in the form of IOUs. According to sources the cash-strapped Clinton campaign has failed to pay hundreds of various bills over the last few months. Reports are coming from landlords, cleaning services, event coordinators, consultants, pollsters, and caterers about Clinton’s refusal to pay what she owes. To be fair, all presidential candidates during election races have some amount of unpaid bills on the ledger, but the size of Clinton’s debt is staggering. The Politico reports, “Clinton’s biggest debts are to pollster and chief strategist Mark Penn, who’s owed $2.5 million; direct mail company MSHC Partners, which is owed $807,000; phone-banking firm Spoken Hub, which is waiting for $771,000; and ad maker Mandy Grunwald, who’s owed $467,000.” End of excerpts. Hey, I do not always agree with Mr. Armstrong's political views but this artilcle hits right on the money. GOD BLESS US ALL __________________ *War is a poor chisel to carve out tomorrow. -* *Martin Luther King Jr.* Seek peace, and pursue it. - Psalms 34:14 Be kind to unkind people - they need it the most - by Ashleigh Brilliant.

04-05-2008, 04:51 PM	#46
Arc Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 370	Wags, Speak of the devil - I believe Leonardo is back with a recent post on the "20 Years to Go" thread. It must be true that time heals all wounds. I'm guessing you can find a youtube video that is fitting.

04-07-2008, 05:24 PM	#55
BoutDone Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 159	Wags, I think you are ready for the Hillary Project. Hillary Clinton - The Hillary Clinton Project and Wiki Enjoy.