Sarah Palin, McCain VP.........

[Westernskies]

Originally Posted by Purron

Ha, I don't hate Sarah nor do "all the women" hate her. I have make it clear I respect her and have found good things to say about her. I do respect her modest background and the fact she is a self made woman. My focus has been on my disagreement her political stands. Also, I have questioned her qualifications as many have done with Obama. You seem to be focusing a bit too much on her physical appearance as though women like me would hate her for being pretty. Please give us more credit than that Ha.

Reminds me of that stupid shampoo commercial a few years back..
"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful""

[Purron]

Originally Posted by FIRE'd@51

Hey Purron, here's our gal leaving NOVA and passing over your house. She sends you her best.

super_Palin.jpg

That's funny! Super Sarah flying over NOVA. She better watch out for those planes taking off from Dulles!

[haha]

Originally Posted by Purron

Ha, I don't hate Sarah nor do "all the women" hate her. I have make it clear I respect her and have found good things to say about her. I do respect her modest background and the fact she is a self made woman. My focus has been on my disagreement her political stands. Also, I have questioned her qualifications as many have done with Obama. You seem to be focusing a bit too much on her physical appearance as though women like me would hate her for being pretty. Please give us more credit than that Ha.

My syntax must have been unclear. I didn't say nor do I think that all women hate Sarah, only that "I get a kick out of all the women who do hate Sarah". Very different statements. Actually I have met quite a few women who are thrilled by her candidacy.

ha

[laurence]

I saw some detailed polling that McCain has gone from 14 down to nearly even with the women vote since the Palin pick, so clearly she has only helped him with women. I thought she wouldn't make a difference with women but clearly I was wrong. I (naively) thought people voted mostly on issues, and the tempest in a teapot about race and gender was a media creation. I mean, a feel good story is one thing, but if they have a completely opposite view than me on issues most important to me, why would a feel good story overcome that opposition? Perhaps it's a tiebreaker for undecideds? Same with Obama - great story, yay for the progress we've made - but if I don't want to vote for him due to his stance on the issues that doesn't make me a 'neck!

[Westernskies]

Originally Posted by haha

My syntax must have been unclear. I didn't say nor do I think that all women hate Sarah, only that "I get a kick out of all the women who do hate Sarah". Very different statements. Actually I have met quite a few women who are thrilled by her candidacy.

ha

I have yet to meet a woman in person (Italy and the www notwithstanding) who is anything less than thrilled about her nomination. They may not all agree with her politics, but the admire her for what she has accomplished on behalf of women everywhere. Will they all vote for her- who knows? but do they admire her? Yes.

Which, IMHO is one of the reasons why she is causing so much heartburn in the Dem camp. Since her nomination she has taken much of the media spotlight off their own beauty queen candidate.

As somepone else suggested, put the candidates in swimsuits and evening gowns during the VP debates, and this election is over!

[toofrugalformycat]

Originally Posted by Texarkandy

I wonder if the Dems have considered that after a while all of these spurious charges against Palin that turn out to be patently false or twisted may cause a large segment of the undecideds to disbelieve if/when they do come up with something semi-valid.

(Of course surrogates can be hard to control I suppose)

This from an Alaskan (me)
What spurious charges? What charges have the Dems made that are spurious? I want a list.
The only lie I know of is when Palin said the Dems are lying about her.
That list of banned books is spurious but I didn't see that until someone on this forum pointed it out on Snopes. Who knows who put that out there?

Originally Posted by bigwonderfulwyoming

John McCain understands the ramifications of war better than any of the other candidates in this election. So, yes I do really want him to have his finger on the red button. I would prefer his wisdom and experience over a community organizer turned half-term junior senator, a failed two-time presidential hopeful, and yes, even a relatively unknown governor from Alaska.

And yet he voted for invading Iraq. That was my main objection to Hillary Clinton - she did not do her research and also voted to invade Iraq. I think most people admit now that was a mistake.

Originally Posted by bigwonderfulwyoming

Please explain how you are so certain that Sarah Palin serving as VP will be "hell on the country's welfare". I'd love to hear the logic behind that statement.
also, how is McCain's ambition to become president any different than Barack Obama's (or Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Mike Huckabee for that matter?)

Not to repeat myself, but I must. Read the Kilkenny letter and learn how as mayor of Wasilla she "managed the budget" and inquired as to how to ban books. She grew up in Wasilla and likes it there, and was mayor for 8 years. I have to drive through Wasilla to get to my cabin. If you like strip malls, big box stores, strip mining next to the main road, and meth labs, (oh yeah and a government in debt for no good reason) Wasilla is for you. Since McCain picked her I've learned many things including that she takes State per diem when she elects to live in her own home, while masquerading as an ethical fiscal conservative. She's poorly educated and has right-wing religious views, while the supreme court is already tipping to the right. This is bad news for us women who think we deserve privacy, among may others. McCain is 72 years old and has not led a healthy life, for 5 years out of his control, so we could easily have this ignorant uneducated greenhorn's finger on the button. He could have picked a much better candidate to potentially run the country, but he picked a pretty woman just to distract us from four more years of the same old stuff.
That's the difference.

Originally Posted by Texarkandy

Perhaps then you don't know your own State government that well (as to what is/is not customary & legal on State employee & elected official travel) - reading the linked WP article it does appear to me this has been the custom in Alaska.

While there apparently has been a little controversy about it over the years it is apparently totally legal in Alaska & Palin's not the only one and it doesn't rise to the level of scandal, fraud, or criminal activity.

It does appear that elected officials can legally get paid to stay in their own homes. As a paid employee, hell no. But when the best Palin's staff can do is say she's taking less travel charges than the scandalous Governor Murkowski about whom I've written much, they are grasping at straws. And this is taken from your article:

"In the past, per diem claims by Alaska state officials have carried political risks. In 1988, the head of the state Commerce Department was pilloried for collecting a per diem charge of $50 while staying in his Anchorage home, according to local news accounts. The commissioner, the late Tony Smith, resigned amid a series of controversies.

"It was quite the little scandal," said Tony Knowles, the Democratic governor from 1994 to 2000. "I gave a direction to all my commissioners if they were ever in their house, whether it was Juneau or elsewhere, they were not to get a per diem because, clearly, it is and it looks like a scam -- you pay yourself to live at home," he said."

BTW Tony Knowles was a Democrat governor. I guess their standards are higher.

If anyone is interested in this latest bit of untidy behavior by Palin, I urge you to go the Anchorage Daily News web site, where this article was on the front page this morning.

Originally Posted by bigwonderfulwyoming

Which is why Alaskan governors spend as little time there as possible, and why this practice has been accepted for so many years. It's a lot cheaper than maintaining two governors mansions.

But taking per diem for living in their own home? Not accepted. Outrageous. Which is why the article about it is on the front page of the Anchorage Daily News today. Scandalous. Truly.

Originally Posted by FinanceDude

Hmm............I was thinking that most Dems think its ok for Obama to get elected because he's "pretty and talks a good medacious game"..........

I've asked for the lies about Palin from the Dems to be listed. I repeat. A list. If you have specific lies you think Obama made, I'd like a list of them too.

Originally Posted by haha

I get such a kick out all the women hating Sarah. She is exactly what the feminists should be immensely proud of. Modest background, ordinary husband, powerful executive job, entirely self made, mother of 5, beautiful-exactly what is the problem? Oh wait, I think I know. BEAUTIFUL. And REPUBLICAN.

Hey, Sisterhood has its limits, right? Got to draw the line somewhere.

Ha

I tend to judge people by the contents of their character, not the color (or shape) of their skin, or even which sex they are. I don't think I'm alone. I'm surprised at you, Ha.

I'm going to check this thread through tomorrow and then I'm dropping out. I would urge anyone who wants the Alaska flavor to read the Anchorage Daily News, much of which is online every day.

[Purron]

Originally Posted by haha

I get such a kick out all the women hating Sarah. She is exactly what the feminists should be immensely proud of. Modest background, ordinary husband, powerful executive job, entirely self made, mother of 5, beautiful-exactly what is the problem? Oh wait, I think I know. BEAUTIFUL. And REPUBLICAN.

Hey, Sisterhood has its limits, right? Got to draw the line somewhere.

Ha

Originally Posted by haha

My syntax must have been unclear. I didn't say nor do I think that all women hate Sarah, only that "I get a kick out of all the women who do hate Sarah". Very different statements. Actually I have met quite a few women who are thrilled by her candidacy.

ha

OK, I understand your position. Many women love her. Many don't. The problem the women who don't love her have is she is a beautiful republican.

[haha]

Originally Posted by Purron

OK, I understand your position. Many women love her. Many don't. The problem the women who don't love her have is she is a beautiful republican.

Well, you must also understand that I only find this sort of discussion interesting for its comedic and hyperbolic aspects. In my ordinary life it would be social suicide to let people know how I feel about all this crap. But I would campaign for Beelzebub if I felt sure he would stay out of my pocket.

So a little hyperbole I hope may be excused- especially since y'all are wallowing in it.

Ha

[Purron]

Originally Posted by haha

So a little hyperbole I hope may be excused- especially since y'all are wallowing in it.

Ha

No comment. I'll save the mods the trouble of deleting my response.

[haha]

Originally Posted by Purron

No comment. I'll save the mods the trouble of deleting my response.

Oh-oh, onto ignore!

[bright eyed]

Originally Posted by haha

I get such a kick out all the women hating Sarah. She is exactly what the feminists should be immensely proud of. Modest background, ordinary husband, powerful executive job, entirely self made, mother of 5, beautiful-exactly what is the problem? Oh wait, I think I know. BEAUTIFUL. And REPUBLICAN.

Hey, Sisterhood has its limits, right? Got to draw the line somewhere.

Ha

Um, I think a big part of the women's movement is so that each woman can think and speak her mind - not that we should all agree!

[samclem]

Originally Posted by toofrugalformycat

I do not understand. You think Palin would be a good vp based on what?
Or do you just mean it's ok that she might get him elected because she's pretty and talks a good mendacious game? The hell with the country's welfare, McCain achieves his ambition?
Please explain.

You claimed that McCain had acted in a rash manner in selecting Palin. The pick has energized many people who were only lukewarm in the support of McCain before. It has also introduced a woman to the political scene who will likely be an important force in national politics in years to come--a benefit that will outlive this campaign (and the upcomign McCain administration ). You believe she's unfit to be on the ticket, but I submit that the fact that more, not fewer, people now support his bid for the presidency indicates that many people do not agree with you.

[toofrugalformycat]

Originally Posted by samclem

You claimed that McCain had acted in a rash manner in selecting Palin. The pick has energized many people who were only lukewarm in the support of McCain before. It has also introduced a woman to the political scene who will likely be an important force in national politics in years to come--a benefit that will outlive this campaign (and the upcomign McCain administration ). You believe she's unfit to be on the ticket, but I submit that the fact that more, not fewer, people now support his bid for the presidency indicates that many people do not agree with you.

Based on the available evidence (no one here is Alaska has acknowledged being questioned, and no search of the Frontiersman) he did not vet Palin. I think you might agree that that was rash. Besides the vetting process making it less likely that something ugly will come out to hurt his bid, they might have found something (I'm saying might, I don't know this to be true) that just might make her unsuitable as a vp. You know, in case he actually cares about the future of this country.
It's true that many people do not agree with me, and it's true I'm not always right (usually, but not always).
But many people liked GWB and I disliked him from the start, and the same with Governor Murkowski. I started out neutral on Palin, but from her performance as governor and what I've learned since McCain selected her, she's in the same camp as GWB and Murkowski. Talk fiscal conservative, spend big on your pet projects, run up debt, trash the environment, to hell with the future.

[Martha]

This thread has gone on for 28 pages and 1113 posts. I am closing the thread. When something new comes up regarding Palin, go ahead and start over. Maybe closing the thread will encourage people to take a break and when you come back, to tone down the sarcasm and postering.

Martha, on behalf of the moderator team.