The Bush Presidency: The Historians (Start to) Weigh In - Page 3

**REWahoo** · 04-16-2008, 02:37 PM

Milton, you aren't in my shoes, my comment was considered rather than thoughtless, racial only in your own mind, and I'm moving on, not apologizing.

To shamelessly steal a quote from another poster, "You have a nice life now."

Milton · 04-16-2008, 02:46 PM

I thought that you were bigger than that. Oh well.

**REWahoo** · 04-16-2008, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronc879

If another Bush becomes president i'm moving to Canada!

This is probably what really set them off...

talltrees · 04-16-2008, 05:27 PM

Gee, boys and girls, can't we all just agree Bush sucks big time and all get along

HFWR · 04-16-2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talltrees

Gee, boys and girls, can't we all just agree Bush sucks big time and all get along

Yeah, I can do that...

An interesting tangent: during the recent episode of John Adams, John was reading a newspaper article or letter to the editor, not sure which. The writer called him several bad names, said he was a cripple, and had bad teeth.

To which John replied, "I am not a cripple."

These so-called historians need to spend a few months/years studying presidential papers and such to form a "real" opinion. Sounds like political BS to me.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

unclemick · 04-16-2008, 07:50 PM

I like Harry - I believe he still holds the record for low approval percent.

But then I was born a Democrat - probably die one. and then there is my Sister - I don't know what she will do after deserting the Pats in the stretch - now that Bret has retired - probably go back to the Pats(who I've heard have a good football team) and still vote Republican.

Sooo - here's to Yellow Dogs and Democrats - if you have a good idea, convince a Democrat and I'll vote for the Democrat. The other folks are just well the other folks.

heh heh heh - and Pssst Wellesley for those who get bored waiting for November.

.

What was that other guys name again?

**REWahoo** · 04-16-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclemick

I like Harry - I believe he still holds the record for low approval percent.

What was that other guys name again?

Dewey

youbet · 04-16-2008, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronc879

If another Bush becomes president i'm moving to Canada!

aaron, you better check out this site before you pack the car!

Immigration Watch Canada

Looks like there are a few folks up there waiting for you with baseball bats and brass knuckles. Or....... at least a frown!

Or, if you're lucky, a hot Canadian babe will be waiting to marry you and make you legal..... just to save you from the politics here!

MarryAnAmerican - Homepage - No good American will be left behind!

chinaco · 04-17-2008, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinanceDude

Looks like this thread should be renamed: "Bush Sucks.....

Yes, that part is correct, and most of the country is singing from the same sheet of music.

FinanceDude · 04-17-2008, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinaco

Yes, that part is correct, and most of the country is singing from the same sheet of music.

So, are you voting the "Great Uniter" who hasn't united anything yet, or do you want another Clinton Administration? Either one is downright scary..........where's Edwards and Kerry, even Gore when we need them??

Notmuchlonger · 04-17-2008, 02:44 PM

Al Gore why have you forsaken us!

Wags · 04-18-2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinanceDude

So, are you voting the "Great Uniter" who hasn't united anything yet, or do you want another Clinton Administration? Either one is downright scary..........where's Edwards and Kerry, even Gore when we need them??

Mr. Gore is busy shining and polishing his Nobel Peace Prize, and attending to the Global Warming issues.

As for the Great Uniter, Mr. Bush I believe his term is up on or about Jan 2009. But if we need another Bush there is always Jeb who is waiting in the bullpen and ready to come to pitch relief.

You forgot to ask about Mr. Carter who is off to the Middle East on a mission to find PEACE. Once Mr. Carter returns I am sure he too will shine and polish his Nobel Peace Prize.

GOD BLESS US ALL

**ziggy29** · 04-18-2008, 11:32 AM

It is silly for historians to evaluate current events. They of all people should know that the real impact of decisive actions -- whether widely perceived as positive or negative at the time -- can take decades to fully evaluate as ripple effects from previous actions run through world events.

I suspect good historians know this, so the ones that are left are the political hacks who are more interested in grinding a political axe than providing a dispassionate and measured evaluation of a presidency.

Wags · 05-01-2008, 04:12 PM

CNN News - Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other president

Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other president - CNN.com

Excerpts from the article

A new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president.

"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup Poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.

"Bush's approval rating, which stands at 28 percent in our new poll, remains better than the all-time lows set by Harry Truman and Richard Nixon [22 percent and 24 percent, respectively], but even those two presidents never got a disapproval rating in the 70s," Holland said. "The previous all-time record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, 67 percent disapproval in January 1952."

CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider adds, "He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974.

End of excerpts.

I am sure that this will not help Mr. Bush with how history judges or looks at his legacy.

GOD BLESS US ALL

BoutDone · 05-01-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinanceDude

Looks like this thread should be renamed: "Bush Sucks, Bring Clinton Back".........

If we bring Clinton back we have to also bring Monica back because she sucked too.

youbet · 05-01-2008, 06:07 PM

Well done BoutDone!

Wags · 05-01-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoutDone

If we bring Clinton back we have to also bring Monica back because she sucked too.

If things get real bad for Mrs. Clinton and she gets

at Mr. Clinton - Bill might bring out the big guns and make a couple of public appearances with Monica (for old time's sake).

YouTube - ENGELBERT HUMPERDINCK "After The Lovin'" Las Vegas Hilton

GOD BLESS US ALL

Wags · 05-28-2008, 08:10 AM

Washington Post - Ex-Press Aide Writes That Bush Misled U.S. on Iraq

Ex-Press Aide Writes That Bush Misled U.S. on Iraq

Excerpts from the article

Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the American people with a sophisticated "political propaganda campaign" led by President Bush and aimed at "manipulating sources of public opinion" and "downplaying the major reason for going to war."

McClellan includes the charges in a 341-page book, "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," that delivers a harsh look at the White House and the man he served for close to a decade. He describes Bush as demonstrating a "lack of inquisitiveness," says the White House operated in "permanent campaign" mode, and admits to having been deceived by some in the president's inner circle about the leak of a CIA operative's name.

The book, coming from a man who was a tight-lipped defender of administration aides and policy, is certain to give fuel to critics of the administration, and McClellan has harsh words for many of his past colleagues. He accuses former White House adviser Karl Rove of misleading him about his role in the CIA case. He describes Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as being deft at deflecting blame, and he calls Vice President Cheney "the magic man" who steered policy behind the scenes while leaving no fingerprints.

McClellan, once a staunch defender of the war from the podium, comes to a stark conclusion, writing, "What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary."

He says the White House's reaction to Katrina was more than just a public relations disaster, calling it "a failure of imagination and initiative" and the result of an administration that "let events control us." He adds: "It was a costly blunder."

End of excerpts.

Will Mr. McClellan's book "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," be an insight on how history will judge Mr. Bush's legacy?

Will the invasion of Iraq, the mishandling of the Iraq War & the Afganistan War, the Hurricane Katrina fisaco, the NO child left behind fisaco, the mission accomplish photo-op, and the outing of a CIA officer be lasting im·ag·es of how the American public remembers and how history remembers Mr. Bush's presidency?

Or will history remember Mr. Bush as a strong leader who promoted the cause of freedom?

God Bless Us All

FinanceDude · 05-28-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wags

Washington Post - Ex-Press Aide Writes That Bush Misled U.S. on Iraq

Ex-Press Aide Writes That Bush Misled U.S. on Iraq

Excerpts from the article

Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the American people with a sophisticated "political propaganda campaign" led by President Bush and aimed at "manipulating sources of public opinion" and "downplaying the major reason for going to war."

McClellan includes the charges in a 341-page book, "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," that delivers a harsh look at the White House and the man he served for close t

04-16-2008, 02:37 PM	#41
REWahoo Administrator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 12,363	Milton, you aren't in my shoes, my comment was considered rather than thoughtless, racial only in your own mind, and I'm moving on, not apologizing. To shamelessly steal a quote from another poster, "You have a nice life now." __________________ [Closed for renovation]

04-16-2008, 02:46 PM	#42
Milton Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,000	I thought that you were bigger than that. Oh well. __________________ "There is no more dreadful punishment than futile and hopeless labour" - Albert Camus

04-17-2008, 02:44 PM	#51
Notmuchlonger Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,201	Al Gore why have you forsaken us! __________________ lemony

04-18-2008, 11:32 AM	#53
ziggy29 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,106	It is silly for historians to evaluate current events. They of all people should know that the real impact of decisive actions -- whether widely perceived as positive or negative at the time -- can take decades to fully evaluate as ripple effects from previous actions run through world events. I suspect good historians know this, so the ones that are left are the political hacks who are more interested in grinding a political axe than providing a dispassionate and measured evaluation of a presidency. __________________ FIRE Clock: 11:27 PM. FIREd at midnight but very subject to change.... waiting for the government to privatize the gains and socialize my losses in my 401K...

05-01-2008, 04:12 PM	#54
Wags Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 961	CNN News - Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other president Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other president - CNN.com Excerpts from the article A new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history. A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president. "No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup Poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director. "Bush's approval rating, which stands at 28 percent in our new poll, remains better than the all-time lows set by Harry Truman and Richard Nixon [22 percent and 24 percent, respectively], but even those two presidents never got a disapproval rating in the 70s," Holland said. "The previous all-time record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, 67 percent disapproval in January 1952." CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider adds, "He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974. End of excerpts. I am sure that this will not help Mr. Bush with how history judges or looks at his legacy. GOD BLESS US ALL __________________ *War is a poor chisel to carve out tomorrow. -* *Martin Luther King Jr.* Seek peace, and pursue it. - Psalms 34:14 Be kind to unkind people - they need it the most - by Ashleigh Brilliant.

04-16-2008, 05:27 PM	#44
talltrees Dryer sheet aficionado Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 31	Gee, boys and girls, can't we all just agree Bush sucks big time and all get along

04-16-2008, 07:50 PM	#46
unclemick Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: north of Kansas City Posts: 5,647	I like Harry - I believe he still holds the record for low approval percent. But then I was born a Democrat - probably die one. and then there is my Sister - I don't know what she will do after deserting the Pats in the stretch - now that Bret has retired - probably go back to the Pats(who I've heard have a good football team) and still vote Republican. Sooo - here's to Yellow Dogs and Democrats - if you have a good idea, convince a Democrat and I'll vote for the Democrat. The other folks are just well the other folks. heh heh heh - and Pssst Wellesley for those who get bored waiting for November. . What was that other guys name again?

05-01-2008, 06:07 PM	#56
youbet Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,503	Well done BoutDone! __________________ Over all was the silence of the wilderness - Sigurd Olsen

05-28-2008, 08:10 AM	#58
Wags Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 961	Washington Post - Ex-Press Aide Writes That Bush Misled U.S. on Iraq Ex-Press Aide Writes That Bush Misled U.S. on Iraq Excerpts from the article Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the American people with a sophisticated "political propaganda campaign" led by President Bush and aimed at "manipulating sources of public opinion" and "downplaying the major reason for going to war." McClellan includes the charges in a 341-page book, "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," that delivers a harsh look at the White House and the man he served for close to a decade. He describes Bush as demonstrating a "lack of inquisitiveness," says the White House operated in "permanent campaign" mode, and admits to having been deceived by some in the president's inner circle about the leak of a CIA operative's name. The book, coming from a man who was a tight-lipped defender of administration aides and policy, is certain to give fuel to critics of the administration, and McClellan has harsh words for many of his past colleagues. He accuses former White House adviser Karl Rove of misleading him about his role in the CIA case. He describes Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as being deft at deflecting blame, and he calls Vice President Cheney "the magic man" who steered policy behind the scenes while leaving no fingerprints. McClellan, once a staunch defender of the war from the podium, comes to a stark conclusion, writing, "What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary." He says the White House's reaction to Katrina was more than just a public relations disaster, calling it "a failure of imagination and initiative" and the result of an administration that "let events control us." He adds: "It was a costly blunder." End of excerpts. Will Mr. McClellan's book "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," be an insight on how history will judge Mr. Bush's legacy? Will the invasion of Iraq, the mishandling of the Iraq War & the Afganistan War, the Hurricane Katrina fisaco, the NO child left behind fisaco, the mission accomplish photo-op, and the outing of a CIA officer be lasting im·ag·es of how the American public remembers and how history remembers Mr. Bush's presidency? Or will history remember Mr. Bush as a strong leader who promoted the cause of freedom? God Bless Us All __________________ *War is a poor chisel to carve out tomorrow. -* *Martin Luther King Jr.* Seek peace, and pursue it. - Psalms 34:14 Be kind to unkind people - they need it the most - by Ashleigh Brilliant. Last edited by Wags; 05-28-2008 at 08:24 AM..