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And so it begins...CO and MD offer bill for single payer
Old 03-03-2011, 06:30 PM   #1
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And so it begins...CO and MD offer bill for single payer

Remember that "we're going to be flexible with states" thing that Obama was in agreement with the other day trying to look like a centrist? Any coincidence that these two articles popped up today?

Those lousy Republicans are just obstructionists! Nothing to see here, move along please...

Maryland - Maryland bill to create single-payer system excludes insurance agents | Insurance & Financial Advisor I IFAwebnews.com

Colorado - Colorado Senate panel OKs universal health idea | Denver Business Journal

Vermont - should have an article to link here in a few days....you know they're going to be at the top of this list.
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Lemme get the popcorn...
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Suits me. Better yet, have the feddle gubmint pull its pants up and implement a single payor system.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:45 AM   #5
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I'm on board. Too bad that these are proposals that are not proposed to be fully effective for years.
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Suits me. Better yet, have the feddle gubmint pull its pants up and implement a single payor system.
++ Kind of Obamacare plus. We get a marginal national plan so anyone, anywhere can at least be assured that they will have coverage. And the few progressive states that are willing to give it a try can do something more assertive that the Republican plan that Massachusetts implemented. Maybe after a couple of decades of state experiments we will have some good data on what works. Note: I recognize that this leaves out the libertarian, totally unregulated programs that some would like to see tested. But you can't get everything you want in a democracy.
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This mess for people under 65 will probably be fixed when I turn 65.
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The Colorado story seems to say that a committee of the state Senate has sent a bill to the whole Senate which, if approved by both houses & the governor, would set up a study committee to consider the feasibility of a single payor plan.

In Maryland, it appears that the Senate Finance committee has scheduled a public hearing regarding a single payor bill.

I don't live in either state, but it seems they are a looong way from passing anything.
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But, none of these plans address the fundamental question: how providers are paid. The payment model (piece work - being paid for each part of a service) remains the same and it is a core element in why health care costs so much.

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I don't live in either state, but it seems they are a looong way from passing anything.
The Usual Suspects are already pointing out how this will raise unemployment (of insurance folks) and reduce state income (from insurance premium taxes).

Denver Daily - Universal health measure gets approval
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But Mark Reese, a spokesman for the Colorado Association of Health Plans, said as many as 20,000 people employed by the private health care insurance industry in Colorado could lose their jobs as a result of a universal cooperative.

“There is an economic impact to this bill that is significant,” said Reese. “It impacts many Colorado lives, and it will impact everybody greatly, and how the general fund is funded, and every individual’s responsibility, whether it’s via income tax or another form of supplying that general fund so the state can continue on in its business.”
I think we all know where the Job Killing Colorado Health Care Cooperative bill will eventually go.
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The Usual Suspects are already pointing out how this will raise unemployment (of insurance folks) and reduce state income (from insurance premium taxes).
I live in Colorado and I don't care if those who work for health insurance need to find new jobs. I also don't care if war profiteers lose revenue if there is peace on earth.
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I also don't care if war profiteers lose revenue if there is peace on earth.
Threadjack, anyone?
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I responded on topic with a comparison. Any response to that comparison needs to be on topic.
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I just read TWO DAYS THAT RUINED YOUR HEALTH CARE. BY. William Waters. A very concise read about how we go into this mess. Unfortunately there is no way out now. We have reached the point that the majority of voters really truly sincerely believe that some how "the government" and can magically make high quality health care appear out of thin air.
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We have reached the point that the majority of voters really truly sincerely believe that some how "the government" and can magically make everyone's life better out of thin air.
There fixed it for you.
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Originally Posted by Sevo
We have reached the point that the majority of voters really truly sincerely believe that some how "the government" and can magically make everyone's life better out of thin air.
There fixed it for you.

Thanks you did fix it.
Hang on and hope that's all we can do now.
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So when we're no longer producing 70% of medicine and equipment, can no longer subsidize other country's national healthcare plans, and other country's pharmacies aren't able to make a profit by sending drugs here before or if ever their own countries get it (GlaxoSmithKline has or had a nice little time table on their site demonstrating this), then will people finally believe national healthcare plans don't work? Or are we just going to test to catastrophic failure?
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"the government" and can magically make everyone's life better out of thin air.
So can Santa, the Easter Bunny, and other such myths ...
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Human nature has not changed in thousands of years... We will test to catastrophe. A common feature of almost all cultures is that people are far more comfortable with equality of poverty than they are with the idea that they have less than their neighbor no matter how good their standard of living is. My hope is that we have some more years left before we see wide spread failure.

Just pray the Chinese will continue to loan us 40 cents of every dollars that we spend to keep medicare and medicaid checks flowing. If they stop loaning I personally just have no idea what is going to happen.

all we can do now is hang on and hope for the best.
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So when we're no longer producing 70% of medicine and equipment, can no longer subsidize other country's national healthcare plans, and other country's pharmacies aren't able to make a profit by sending drugs here before or if ever their own countries get it (GlaxoSmithKline has or had a nice little time table on their site demonstrating this), then will people finally believe national healthcare plans don't work? Or are we just going to test to catastrophic failure?
I'm not entirely sure we're under any obligation to support corporations that entered into bad deals elsewhere, through paying top dollar for products that they sell for less elsewhere.

We're already engaged in testing for catastrophic failure.
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