I was hoping you could comment on this, clifp. I honestly couldn't remember just how much interaction you had with Andy Grove, so thanks for sharing this insight.
Whew - your comments make this even more sobering...
Don't worry too much, Grove richly deserved his association with phrase "only the paranoid survive." No matter how high the stock prices, and how much money the company made, Grove was sure to give us a scary lecture about how if we didn't keep running, some company, consortium, or an entire country was going catch us and have us for lunch. As an elder statesman I think he is happy performing that role for the country
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I want to agree with you that maybe manufacturing jobs really are not a requirement for growth in the USA. I spent my career supporting manufacturing operations, and it sure seems that is what we need, but maybe there is another way? I've read that Apple makes far more on an iPod sale than any of the suppliers or manufacturers. I guess I just don't have a good enough grasp of macro-economics to figure out if that can play long-term.
I often saw the cartoon hanging in someone's office of two guys in MBA school, the proff making opening remarks for a Manufacturing Operations class - one of the MBAs-to-be says to the other "We don't want to learn to make things, we want to learn to make money!"
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On a happier note, if we can maintain something even close to what we have, we will all be fine. Life is pretty darn good for most of us, and a life 80% as good would still be pretty cushy.
-ERD50
I have made that argument on this board and other places about the iPod, look "all the hard work and pollution is done in China and Apple gets the profit. sweet". However, I've had some nagging doubts, which your comments and the Grove article heightened.
First there is just a limited number of people who have the talents and training, to be an Apple industrial designer, Pixar animator, Google software engineer, or a researchers at biotech company. Even outside the technology, there are limited number of people who have the temperament to work at a start-up , much less the entrepreneurial drive to start their own company. Half the people in this country have below average intelligence, and while many of them have other skills, know a trade, are good with their hands, good service orientation, attention to detail, etc. a heck of lot of them don't have particular marketable skill and need to be taught something. What happens to those people is open question in an outsourced economy.
The interesting point you and Grove raise is what happens if we as a country have little or no contact with manufacturing. I didn't have a lot of exposure to manufacturing in my career, although more than many folks in Silicon Valley. I am sure their are many Silicon Valley engineer who the closest they've got to a factory or a farm, is a server farm
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I remember when I was in corporate marketing, that we had some woman who had spent her career in Intel manufacturing assigned to our organization. Now I could understand, why a manufacturing person would be useful in a design engineer group, but a marketing group. What the heck could she add?. She sat quietly observing us for several weeks, finally after hearing us argue for the umpteenth time, I argued we should do A, no B, no C, and our boss struggle to triangulate, she acted. Using flip charts, and whiteboards, she collected all of the arguments and they walked us through a process of making a decision. I remember disagreeing with decision but being very impressed by the process. When the second manufacturing person joined the group and brought the same discipline to collecting data and making decisions, I realized that there was a lot we could learn from those boring, by the book, manufacturing types.