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04-19-2018, 06:56 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
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Originally Posted by USGrant1962
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He hid in a closet during the shooting, I don’t see it being a page turner.
The thought of a 17 year old who still lives with his parents and apparently can’t form a sentence without using profanity writing a book...I’ll pass.
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04-19-2018, 09:37 PM
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#42
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Location: Northern IL
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Originally Posted by Gumby
Regardless of the merits of this particular issue, I have always wondered about the efficacy of such a boycott. It seems to me that once a company issues stock in the primary market, it is largely indifferent to trading on the subsequent secondary market (unless it is Enron), as it has received the proceeds of its issuance. If the protesters are successful and Vanguard does not own the boycotted stock, someone else will. The trading effects thus will be felt by the traders in the secondary market, but not by the "bad" company who originally issued the stock. I am uncertain what those who support such a boycott ever hope to accomplish.
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Well said, but try to explain that to some 17 year olds.
I'm more than willing to cut these kids a LOT of slack after what they've been through, but when the "we have to do something" approach gets in the way of doing something that will actually help, no one is served.
You might find Fair Trade Coffee, but a Fair Trade Coffee can? I dunno, I think the tin mine owners have been accused of unfair work/environmental practices.
It's never easy, is it?
It might be kind of funny to ask that question at Trader Joe's. "Yes, it says 'fair trade' right on the can". "No, not the coffee, the can - is the can fair trade?"
But I wouldn't do that to some poor working person, but it could be funny.
-ERD50
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04-20-2018, 01:06 PM
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#43
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,558
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Originally Posted by dixonge
While I think boycotts like this have little direct effect, they can have more of an impact in the long run. They are like a slow-burning negative PR campaign. I believe the fossil fuel divestment campaign is a good example of this. It certainly hasn't taken down any companies, but it has helped foster a negative sentiment toward them. Hundreds of funds have begun divestment.
These kids sure have a lot of PR folks hopping, trying to distance themselves from the NRA. Whether it results in lasting change remains to be seen.
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I think there are situations where the threat of a boycott can be very effective, and some where it is completely useless.
Hogg's encouragement to have people boycott Laura Ingraham's advertisers was very effective. Not because anyone was actually going to boycott them, but because very few advertisers are going to want their brand associated with someone making classless, ad hominem attacks on a young survivor of gun violence. Regardless of your views on gun control, her behavior was terrible, and brands were rightly very quick to distance themselves from her.
That boycott may not be effective in changing gun control laws, but I think it will have some impact in making on-air personalities think twice before engaging in low-class personal attacks. I think that is a very good thing, as the level of discourse has gotten pretty darn low in this country.
In contrast, I doubt his attempted boycott of Vanguard is going to have any effect. Almost no one who invests is going to feel like it is Vanguard's job to effect change on all of the companies that they have in their index funds. I think even most people who are extremely sympathetic to his cause are going to ignore that call.
Vanguard's response was very solid, and I suspect the whole thing will be forgotten in a week or two.
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04-20-2018, 01:22 PM
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Full time employment: Posting here.
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i do not even have cable TV so do not watch her show but i did read that after the initial dip her viewership went up from its previous high of 2.5 M to 3.0M and advertisers are reconsidering, with one Ace already returning I do not like bullying even when the bully thinks his cause is virtuous ( what bully doesn't if you think about it)
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04-20-2018, 02:47 PM
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#45
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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If I deliberately sold a great performing fund and then bought into a lesser performing fund so that I'd "feel good" over its make up, my granddad would rise up out of his grave and strangle me himself.
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04-20-2018, 04:33 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Upstate
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Originally Posted by mamadogmamacat
i do not even have cable TV so do not watch her show but i did read that after the initial dip her viewership went up from its previous high of 2.5 M to 3.0M and advertisers are reconsidering, with one Ace already returning I do not like bullying even when the bully thinks his cause is virtuous ( what bully doesn't if you think about it)
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yes, this was reported in thehill.com: http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/...or-advertisers
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04-20-2018, 04:52 PM
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#47
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Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Please stop! Say what ever you want pro or con, but please do not bash or ridicule these kids in ANY way. They have been through something horrific and trying to make an impact. The insults and jabs at them are very difficult to hear. Thank you.
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04-20-2018, 07:43 PM
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#48
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
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Originally Posted by CountryGal
Please stop! Say what ever you want pro or con, but please do not bash or ridicule these kids in ANY way. They have been through something horrific and trying to make an impact. The insults and jabs at them are very difficult to hear. Thank you.
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It seems this upsets you, so I would suggest that you block this thread...
IMO I would agree not to say anything negative about the kids that went through that ordeal....
But, some of them have decided to wade into the muck of politics.... they do not get a free ride when they do...
Also, when they make a stmt to boycott a company like Vanguard who is buying all stocks in an index and has no choice in what they buy that shows lack of knowledge of how things work.... they need to be better educated before asking for a boycott like this...
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04-21-2018, 07:03 AM
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#49
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Thanks for the interesting discussion.
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