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Old 04-08-2011, 12:22 PM   #21
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I do not think that there should be any cost to obtain and maintain a voter ID. We are entitled to vote by virtue of our citizenship and in which election by our place of residency. The associated cost is the cost of a democracy. By that thinking why not charge a fee for each office you mark your vote? After all it costs money to tally them. It is not a question of the ability to pay the fee, it is illegal IMHO.

Oregon and Washington are both vote by mail. When we had polling places I didn't ever present ID because, probably, I was personally known (or maybe notorious ) but I did bring my voter registration card. The identification after registration for vote by mail is a comparison of signatures on the envelope to my signature sample provided at registration. For older folks, the blind or the sick, whose signature has changed or who is unable to sign another person can certify the identity of the signer on the envelope or the voter can update their signature with the registrar.
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I do not think that there should be any cost to obtain and maintain a voter ID. We are entitled to vote by virtue of our citizenship and in which election by our place of residency. The associated cost is the cost of a democracy. By that thinking why not charge a fee for each office you mark your vote? After all it costs money to tally them. It is not a question of the ability to pay the fee, it is illegal IMHO.

Oregon and Washington are both vote by mail. When we had polling places I didn't ever present ID because, probably, I was personally known (or maybe notorious ) but I did bring my voter registration card. The identification after registration for vote by mail is a comparison of signatures on the envelope to my signature sample provided at registration. For older folks, the blind or the sick, whose signature has changed or who is unable to sign another person can certify the identity of the signer on the envelope or the voter can update their signature with the registrar.
I have no problem with that, IMHO it would be one of the BEST uses of taxpayer money in my lifetime.........
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:00 PM   #23
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FinanceDude, here's a tidbit from Voter ID: State Requirements:

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The federal help america vote act mandates that all states require identification from first-time voters who registered to vote by mail and did not provide verification of their identification with their mail-in voter registration.


Also from the above National Conference of State Legislatures website, twenty-seven states request/require ID for voting thereafter (Illinois does not--you just tell them who you are--nor does Minnesota, another Wisconsin neighbor). But, "in no state is a voter who cannot produce identification turned away from the polls—all states have some sort of recourse for voters without identification to cast a vote." Wisconsin is hardly unique in not requiring ID.

I don't think many elections are influenced by people trying to vote fraudulently (there are so many more efficient ways to steal elections, at least in Chicago ).
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Also from the above National Conference of State Legislatures website, twenty-seven states request/require ID for voting thereafter (Illinois does not--you just tell them who you are--nor does Minnesota, another Wisconsin neighbor). But, "in no state is a voter who cannot produce identification turned away from the polls—all states have some sort of recourse for voters without identification to cast a vote." Wisconsin is hardly unique in not requiring ID.

I don't think many elections are influenced by people trying to vote fraudulently (there are so many more efficient ways to steal elections, at least in Chicago ).
Maybe, but there is an underreported newstory from Dane County, home to Madison and the State Capitol. Apparently, there were 10,000 ballots cast for Joanne Kloppenburg, but the ballot was empty other than that. The residents of Madison had a hotly contested mayoral race, a hotly contested county executive race, etc. So, 10,000 supposed residents of Dane County ONLY voted for the Supreme Court Justice race, when there were other races that directly affect them? Sounds fishy, and the state govt election bureau is investigating...........
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Maybe, but there is an underreported newstory from Dane County, home to Madison and the State Capitol. Apparently, there were 10,000 ballots cast for Joanne Kloppenburg, but the ballot was empty other than that. The residents of Madison had a hotly contested mayoral race, a hotly contested county executive race, etc. So, 10,000 supposed residents of Dane County ONLY voted for the Supreme Court Justice race, when there were other races that directly affect them? Sounds fishy, and the state govt election bureau is investigating...........
That is exactly what I mean when I say there are more efficient ways to steal an election than unregistered voters showing up. You don't send in 10,000 fraudulent voters--you steal the election in the counts.
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Maybe, but there is an underreported newstory from Dane County, home to Madison and the State Capitol. Apparently, there were 10,000 ballots cast for Joanne Kloppenburg, but the ballot was empty other than that. The residents of Madison had a hotly contested mayoral race, a hotly contested county executive race, etc. So, 10,000 supposed residents of Dane County ONLY voted for the Supreme Court Justice race, when there were other races that directly affect them? Sounds fishy, and the state govt election bureau is investigating...........
It may be that the judicial election is the only one they really felt directly effected them, or that their family/friends raised as a hot issue, it doesn't mean that the vote was improper.

There appears to be more than one dead fish in this election.
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