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Old 05-07-2016, 09:05 AM   #41
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+1 to Maslow's hierarchy of needs being met in our case.

Minus the self-actualization, that's roughly the American Dream I think of.

I think I also attained the self-actualization for the most part (still a work in progress of course!).

My minority female war refugee wife would disagree with Dixonge's initial assertion that achievement of the American Dream is a white men's club. But you'll have to ask her, and she's busy sitting in the other room of our multi-room house on our new couch, belly full of food, watching The Walking Dead live streamed in 1080p over our high speed internet onto our flat screen TV. A far cry from a one room dirt floor hut in the jungles of SE Asia where she almost died from starvation.

The American Dream is dead for some, but there's usually more than one mistake in the pasts of those people.
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[*]... an implication that Americans' aspirations for health, security, etc. are somehow superior to the rest of the world. This make little sense, IMO.
I suspect a couple million immigrants who've come to the US might be able to enumerate the superiorities to where they came from.
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I suspect a couple million immigrants who've come to the US might be able to enumerate the superiorities to where they came from.
I agree. In fact, I think your number is low by at least a factor of 20.

My point is a little more subtle: in a country as diverse as ours, the range and breadth of our individual aspirations cannot be captured in a single slogan.

Here's a slide show with quotes from folks far outside our ER.org demographic that shows what I mean:
Americans Around the Country Describe Their American Dream - The Atlantic
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I suspect a couple million immigrants who've come to the US might be able to enumerate the superiorities to where they came from.


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I suspect a couple million immigrants who've come to the US might be able to enumerate the superiorities to where they came from.

I have heard this one a lot since I was a boy. Could never figure out why people think this a good thing. It's relative and it matters what you compare things to. America being better than a 3rd World hell hole or a dictatorship run by the Secret Police is not a ringing endorsement. I think that's called damning with faint praise.
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I have achieved my American dream for sure - happily married, an independent kid, a decent house, early retirement, and quite enjoying life. America has been great.

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Old 05-07-2016, 07:13 PM   #46
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Historian James Truslow Adams popularized the phrase "American Dream" in his 1931 book Epic of America:

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But there has been also the American dream, that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for every man, with opportunity for each according to his ability or achievement. It is a difficult dream for the European upper classes to interpret adequately, and too many of us ourselves have grown weary and mistrustful of it. It is not a dream of motor cars and high wages merely, but a dream of social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream

This phrase has been hijacked by politicians for sure. But it stills mean something to many of us. Maslow would have been early twenties when this book erupted. Wonder how much it affected his thought?
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Sure did.

At age 17 emigrated, after years on the waiting list, medical tests, interview at the US legation, deplaned KLM 707 airplane at Kennedy airport.

Issued green card, two years later Uncle Sam demanded my services, three years later Honorably discharged from Army and a few months later pronounced US citizen and American.

Did pretty good through life here and retired on the dot at 59.5 on May 25 nearly 9 years ago.

Now sucking up SS and spending my investments.
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Point of order: You should have the courtesy of doing homework before you challenge anyone. ...my citation is right from their website
Please note the pie chart: 47% white.. Since white is the majority all others are considered minorities -it is actually quite simple...

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Huh. If expressing doubt about uncited facts wounds you so deeply, you might consider posting in less controversial topics. Say, like needlepoint.

No problem presenting the figures, though I could do without the superciliousness. Ah well, some people only debate out of indignation and self-righteousness. I have learned to steer clear of such folks in the interests of my own happiness and self-preservation.
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