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Old 03-02-2012, 07:28 PM   #21
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I guess if you give them a hard enough time(1) over the short form, they won't even try to lay the long form on you

2010 Census Q's contradictory?

So maybe something positive did come out of unwillingness to be a good sheep?

(1) I didn't give the census taker himself a hard time, I know he was just doing a job, and he understood where I was coming from, and we joked about it a bit, but I did call the regional office and told them in no uncertain terms that I did not appreciate being threatened with prison and fines if I failed to fill out their stupid form with improperly worded questions 'properly'.


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For me this would fall into the category of "things I can't do anything about even if they're annoying and not fair" and I would just complete it and mail it in. Done--not worth your time to fret about it.
Now BWF, if everyone thought that way, we'd all still be British subjects.

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Like the US, the UK uses census data to allocate money and determine numbers and locations of elected officials.

... This was also the last census that the UK will have. The current government has cut out future census taking to save 10's of millions of $. They argue that in this day and age they have access to plenty of other sources to construct census data, so it is a waste of money using an archaic method of data collection.

They also announced the results of an independant group that had been set up to streamline electoral boundaries, re-drawing them into a quite tight geographic grouping of ~60k persons per parliament seat, resulting in a reduction of 55 MP's, down from about 650 today.
Hmmmm, so maybe that wouldn't be so bad?

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Now ERD50, Bestwifeever had finally gotten me "wound down", and here you go appealing to my righteous indignation all over again........
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Now ERD50, Bestwifeever had finally gotten me "wound down", and here you go appealing to my righteous indignation all over again........
I think you should follow ERD's advice and rebel. Refuse to fill it in and let us know how you get on.

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Now ERD50, Bestwifeever had finally gotten me "wound down", and here you go appealing to my righteous indignation all over again........

Glad I could be of service. Now go get 'em!


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This was also the last census that the UK will have. The current government has cut out future census taking to save 10's of millions of $. They argue that in this day and age they have access to plenty of other sources to construct census data, so it is a waste of money using an archaic method of data collection.
On a more serious note, this is one of the things that got me worked up enough to start that other thread. We were being bombarded by commercials (lots of our tax $ spent) talking about how important this data was. It was insulting to our intelligence. That data is available through other means. They would actually create this scenario of a crowded bus, and say that w/o the census data, they wouldn't know how many buses we need! Huh? How about the fact that the bus is reaching capacity on that route? And how the heck would you mine this from the short form census data? Oh, and a census is every ten years - like nothing would change in that time?

Does the long form ask you which bus routes and which times you plan to take them... over the next ten years?

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I understand what it is for, I just have a problem with being required by law to report when i get up in the morning to go to work, what my finances are and various and sundry private and personal details - especially under threat of imprsionment.
And I will be polite to the census worker if they come to the door - they're just doing thier job and following orders. (wait a minute - I don't think that was accepted as a defense.....never mind)
Next time we read one of those articles that claims "99% of Americans have 0% saved for retirement"-- we'll know where the data came from.

I filled mine out last month. Took about an hour to do the research on the utility bills and the income.

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Now give us all your passwords so we can be sure you reported everything accurately .
I think it's easier, faster, and more accurate to just send him a Facebook friends request!

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OTOH, it is only offered in English and Spanish, so I might be tempted to ignore it and have some fun with the Census worker who came to follow up. Here in the Midwest, there really aren't that many fluent speakers other languages, and my Brazilian Portuguese has come to my rescue more than once.
That must depend on where you live. Out here we can get it in Hawaiian, Mandarin, kanji, hangul, Tagalog, Samoan, Tongan, and a few lesser-known languages...
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I wonder what would happen if you invoked the 5th amendment on each question.That could be interesting.
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Nords has given me an excellent idea - I'll answer all the questions, just not in English - First question in Spanish, second in Arabic, tird in Cantonese, forth in Tagalog and fifth in Japanese. (Then start the process over).

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Yeah, just wait until you try to register to vote, and you don't want to know what this will do to your property-tax assessment!
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Nords has given me an excellent idea - I'll answer all the questions, just not in English - First question in Spanish, second in Arabic, tird in Cantonese, forth in Tagalog and fifth in Japanese. (Then start the process over).

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You may be surprised.

I read once that someone filled out their tax forms in Roman numerals. An agent at the IRS happened to have skill in that area and was able to check it properly.
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I read once that someone filled out their tax forms in Roman numerals. An agent at the IRS happened to have skill in that area and was able to check it properly.
I suspect that one of the IRS computers was programmed by the Romans.
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I just received a strange survey in the mail........the "American Community Survey"

Fisrt question - my name (so NOT anonymous), age and birth date
Same question for every one living in the house

Then it gets weird:
Value of house, mortgage payment, cost of taxes, cost of insurance, type and cost of fuel used to heat and cool the home, etc...
Education level, majors in college, adcanced degess received and when.....
Income (in detail)- salary, dividends and intrest, self-employed income, employers name and address, how long you have worked for the employer, job duties.....
Number of miles you commute, how many minutes it takes to commute, when do you leave home to go to work, type of vehicle you commute in....
If married, how many times, date of last marriage...

This is just a sample. The survey is 27 pages long! and they want all the above information (and significantly more) for every person living in your residence.

First thought - this is a scam. NO WAY I'm providing this information to ANYone.

But no, it really is the "American Community Survey" from the Census Bureau.

According to the information included and the web site, failure to accurately fill out and reurn the form is punishable by fines and jail time.

Fines: $100 for every blank not filled out, $500 for intentionally incorect information. Maximum fine of $5000.

All of this - to me - falls so squarely into the "None of your (fill in the blank) business, that there is NO WAY I fill it out and sent to the Feds.

I wonder if filling out "None of your Business" in each form would be considered inaccurate?

Guess I'd better budget for a $5000 fine and jail time.
Data being collected for statistical purposes should not require personal identification. The government has plenty of data about most of us from sources like public assistance and tax records.
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Just read the entire survey. Really not that intrusive, mostly boiler-plate info wanted. And much of the survey is taken up by blank pages or superfluous questions that can be ignored.

No big deal, IMHO.

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I got that same survey a year or so ago. I looked it over and promptly shredded it. Didn't hear a thing until a couple months later. Then got another one in the mail with a note saying to fill the d@@@ thing in. I left it lay for another month with my other paperwork. Then, I got a phone call from the census people requesting me to fill it in. So..I relented and filled the d@@@ thing in. And they got the answers I wanted to give them. It's the idea of the whole thing. Yes, I know just pick your battles and roll over...now take your cod liver oil like a good boy...

And now for your humor and entertainment...
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/3426410

And you ought to have seen the survey I got when selected for federal court 90 miles away...
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Yes, they will let serial killers out of prison early, just to free up a spot for someone who didn't want to fill out the long form survey.
What was your shoe size in 7th grade? Do you use any type of hemorrhoid preparation? In 7th grade? What type? Do you follow the instructions to the letter? What letter? Did you mail it? From what post office/box? Did you receive a box? A box lunch? Do you eat lunch? Where? What do you wear when having lunch? How far from the nearest doo-dah room? Have you ever seen the inside of a Turkish prison?

The threats are worthwhile for those who it has a positive effect on. For those that it doesn't...
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I got that same survey a year or so ago. I looked it over and promptly shredded it. Didn't hear a thing until a couple months later. Then got another one in the mail with a note saying to fill the d@@@ thing in. I left it lay for another month with my other paperwork. Then, I got a phone call from the census people requesting me to fill it in.
Yes, we received the survey too. Shredded the first one, shredded the second one, and then threw away the reminder notifications. One day I unfortunately left the gate to our property open when I left for work. My husband informed me that within a few minutes we had a ‘federal’ representative at our door trying to contact us over the census. My husband let her know that we filled out the regular census, and asked her if she could read signs, or just chose to trespass on our posted property. She promptly left, and we thought that was the end of it.

Wrong.. several weeks later my husband left the gate open when he pulled in one day. He was only home for a few minutes (the feds must have our house under surveillance ) when he heard the dogs barking. We live in a remote area, and there have been a few break-ins over the last two years, so we are cautious. My husband went out to find a guy getting out of his car, stating that he was also a ‘federal’ representative. Again my husband asked if he had trouble reading the NO TRESSPASSING signs, or was intentionally trespassing. This guy decided to promptly leave as well.

A few days later we received two calls from the Census in the same day, we told them to lose our unlisted home phone number. Fine us, do whatever - but stop harassing us. From what I’ve read online, no one has ever been fined, I think they are afraid of people finding out about their harassing tactics. I read that they have 90 days to collect the information, and will go away after that if you don’t fill it out.

I would love to know how much money is wasted on the long census, They changed the name to ‘The American Community Survey’, since no one would fill out the invasive questions on the long form, I guess they thought by throwing ‘American’ in the name, that everyone would be standing in line to complete it…..
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I would love to know how much money is wasted on the long census, They changed the name to ‘The American Community Survey’, since no one would fill out the invasive questions on the long form, I guess they thought by throwing ‘American’ in the name, that everyone would be standing in line to complete it…..
There is a typo in the program title. The correct name should be "The American Community Surveyillance". That federal agent should be thankful to you because his full-time assignment on your case might have been extended for one more year, plus all health and retirement benefits, just because of your stubbornness.
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Yeah...There's no way the census people would make it to my door either...they would have to make it thru the small gate and the dogs...hope they can read signs...
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Just thought I'd do a quick update.....
We still have not sent in the forms. As predicted by various posters, we have received unending calls from the Census workers at all hours of the day and night. Have received calls at 7am on Saturdays and even a 2pm call on Easter Sunday.The people have ranged from very pleasant to borderline verbally abusive (First the carrot, the the stick, I guess). Have to give them credit for tenacity. After the first couple of calls, we actually were debating whether to just give up and fill out the form, but then the callers started becoming extremely intimidating and threatening to the point of almost being verbally abusive. So we called our Congressman to file a complaint, and reported names and dates of being harrassed by the Census Bureau. He actually called us back and we had an interesting converstation with him about the situation.

They still haven't given up, however. We have had several home visits while we were out, and but now they left nice little notes. Yesterday, they were coming down the drive while my DW was leaving, so she stopped and had a pleasnat converstation with the census worker, and told her that we had no interest in filling out the form. Today, we got a registered letter from the Census Bureau explaining (again) why it was critical to the National Interests (their words) that we fill out the form, and because they were running out of time, I now no longer could fill in a form and mail it in, but had to call up a Census Worker and tell them the information so they could enter it into their computer (I think not!). Also informed us that -should we fail to do so - we are subject to a $100 fine.

$100!! That's itThat's MUCH better than what was originally quoted on the form - $100 per unanswered question.

GREAT! I now know the cost of privacy - $100! Seems pretty reasonable to me - I would have paid that 2 months ago to be left alone and not put up with the harassment!.

As an aside, one thing my Congressman mentioned is that - to his knowledge and to the knowledge of his aides - no one has ever been fined. Guess I'll find out.
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