Join Early Retirement Today
View Poll Results: Should possession and use of Marijuana be legal for adults?
Yes, it should be legal 230 68.05%
Sort of, only for medicinal use as prescribed by a physician 24 7.10%
No, but the penalty for possession of small amounts should be minor and not involve jail time 40 11.83%
No, throw the book at 'em. 12 3.55%
Yes, but only for small amounts. 32 9.47%
Voters: 338. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-20-2013, 11:02 PM   #181
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 404
Given the social and health problems we have with alcohol and tobacco, why add one more substance to the mix?

The laws surrounding the use of alcohol and tobacco, have moreless reduced them to an at home activity. Using them elsewhere, has potential legal consequences. Is society willing to spend the money to enforce laws along the same line, if marijuana is legalized? Is there a cost effective field test for marijuana, similar to the breathalyzer for DUI?

I don't really care either way, as long as I'm not forced to be around it. But legalization seems to carry a lot of unanswered social problems with it.
__________________

__________________
ACC USN-(Ret)
BLS53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 02-21-2013, 02:19 AM   #182
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 401
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLS53 View Post
Given the social and health problems we have with alcohol and tobacco, why add one more substance to the mix?
I kinda thought that in our supposedly free country, you needed a good reason to tell people they CAN'T do something. I don't think your reason qualifies.
__________________

__________________
RustyShackleford is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 03:55 AM   #183
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by RustyShackleford View Post
I kinda thought that in our supposedly free country, you needed a good reason to tell people they CAN'T do something. I don't think your reason qualifies.
Then you guys need to make a better effort educating the voters that marijuana is harmless. Many of us have our qualms.
__________________
ACC USN-(Ret)
BLS53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 08:19 AM   #184
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,268
Yes, there is a field test to determine if someone is high on marijuana or other substances. It's not scientific though. It's open to interpretation by the tester.

As for, cops and / or prosecutors wanting to keep marijuana illegal due to jobs or any other reason, that's ridiculous. Every cop I know, including myself, would rather it be made legal so we don't have to waste our time with it anymore. I've seen small amounts of marijuana get accidentally spilled out into the breeze to be blown away more times than I can count.
__________________
utrecht is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 08:50 AM   #185
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLS53 View Post
Then you guys need to make a better effort educating the voters that marijuana is harmless. Many of us have our qualms.
It does not have to be harmless to be legal.
__________________
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
Lazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 10:05 AM   #186
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 89
Never used it, myself, but legalizing it would have a huge benefit in depriving drug dealers from the huge profits they get from intermediating these transaction in what has become a very big business. As Mexico chases their drug dealers, they are likely to move to Central American countries that are even less prepared to deal with this expensive law enforcement effort, having both the U.S. and the source countries legalize pot seems like the only reasonable way to go.
That would still leave the issue of hard drugs ( few sensible people would argue for legalizing those ), but I understand that marijuana represents almost 2/3 of the revenues of the drug trade.
__________________
boatfishandnature is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 11:03 AM   #187
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Mulligan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,379
Quote:
Originally Posted by utrecht
Yes, there is a field test to determine if someone is high on marijuana or other substances. It's not scientific though. It's open to interpretation by the tester.

As for, cops and / or prosecutors wanting to keep marijuana illegal due to jobs or any other reason, that's ridiculous. Every cop I know, including myself, would rather it be made legal so we don't have to waste our time with it anymore. I've seen small amounts of marijuana get accidentally spilled out into the breeze to be blown away more times than I can count.
I was curious, since you deal in this area, and most of us on this forum are law abiding citizens I assume. Are their really many people doing "hard time" for weed outside of the ones getting caught with trash bags full of the stuff? I, of course, do not want stoned out potheads driving on highway any more than a drunk. But, part of me doesn't want to waste resources and tax payer money on incarcerating low level drug users or small time dealers either. Since I can't seem to get off the fence, I would be fine with a good public flogging and then have them sent on their way to recuperate at home on their own dime with no criminal record.... In my neck of the woods, I never read about stoned people robbing banks, stealing copper, and home invasions...it's the Meth heads.
__________________
Mulligan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 11:07 AM   #188
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
HFWR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lawn chair in Texas
Posts: 12,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLS53 View Post
Then you guys need to make a better effort educating the voters that marijuana is harmless. Many of us have our qualms.
The onus should be on those supporting criminalization; i.e there should be compelling evidence for keeping it illegal. Otherwise, the default should be freedom from interference in the lives of consenting adults...
__________________
Have Funds, Will Retire

...not doing anything of true substance...
HFWR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 11:40 AM   #189
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by HFWR View Post
The onus should be on those supporting criminalization; i.e there should be compelling evidence for keeping it illegal. Otherwise, the default should be freedom from interference in the lives of consenting adults...
+1.
__________________
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."



- Will Rogers
brewer12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 01:23 PM   #190
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Nodak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Cavalier
Posts: 2,317
Just ran across this interesting test.
Stoned Drivers Hit Test Course In Washington To Evaluate Marijuana DUI Limits (VIDEO)
__________________
"Don't take life so serious, son. It ain't nohow permanent." Pogo Possum (Walt Kelly)
Nodak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 01:24 PM   #191
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Nodak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Cavalier
Posts: 2,317
Quote:
Originally Posted by HFWR View Post
The onus should be on those supporting criminalization; i.e there should be compelling evidence for keeping it illegal. Otherwise, the default should be freedom from interference in the lives of consenting adults...
+2.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious, son. It ain't nohow permanent." Pogo Possum (Walt Kelly)
Nodak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 02:13 PM   #192
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 401
Quote:
Originally Posted by HFWR View Post
The onus should be on those supporting criminalization; i.e there should be compelling evidence for keeping it illegal. Otherwise, the default should be freedom from interference in the lives of consenting adults...
+3

Quote:
Then you guys need to make a better effort educating the voters that marijuana is harmless. Many of us have our qualms.
I don't think it's harmless. Any more than eating trans-fat is harmless. I think there's compelling evidence that it's less harmful than tobacco (I'm sure almost any honest doctor would back that up) and alcohol (I suspect LEO here would back that up). And as stated before, something doesn't need to be harmless to be legal.
__________________
RustyShackleford is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 02:36 PM   #193
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,268
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mulligan View Post
I was curious, since you deal in this area, and most of us on this forum are law abiding citizens I assume. Are their really many people doing "hard time" for weed outside of the ones getting caught with trash bags full of the stuff? I, of course, do not want stoned out potheads driving on highway any more than a drunk. But, part of me doesn't want to waste resources and tax payer money on incarcerating low level drug users or small time dealers either. Since I can't seem to get off the fence, I would be fine with a good public flogging and then have them sent on their way to recuperate at home on their own dime with no criminal record.... In my neck of the woods, I never read about stoned people robbing banks, stealing copper, and home invasions...it's the Meth heads.
In Texas, possession of a normal amount (for personal use) of marijuana is a Class B Misdemeanor. Thats the same as a shoplifting charge of anything less than $500. Nobody is going to do any jail time, let alone prison for that (other than possibly spending the night in jail before being arraigned).
__________________
utrecht is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:02 PM   #194
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 404
There sure must be a bunch of potheads on this board. I must live in a sheltered environment. 60 years old, and the only place I've seen a joint is in the movies.

I don't think my situation is unique among the general public. And there lies your problem with legalization.
__________________
ACC USN-(Ret)
BLS53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:03 PM   #195
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
obgyn65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: midwestern city
Posts: 4,061
+1. My views are changing on this issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLS53 View Post

Then you guys need to make a better effort educating the voters that marijuana is harmless. Many of us have our qualms.
__________________
Very conservative with investments. Not ER'd yet, 48 years old. Please do not take anything I write or imply as legal, financial or medical advice directed to you. Contact your own financial advisor, healthcare provider, or attorney for financial, medical and legal advice.
obgyn65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:18 PM   #196
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by utrecht View Post
Yes, there is a field test to determine if someone is high on marijuana or other substances. It's not scientific though. It's open to interpretation by the tester.

As for, cops and / or prosecutors wanting to keep marijuana illegal due to jobs or any other reason, that's ridiculous. Every cop I know, including myself, would rather it be made legal so we don't have to waste our time with it anymore. I've seen small amounts of marijuana get accidentally spilled out into the breeze to be blown away more times than I can count.
That may be true in large urban areas. However, many small county Sheriffs have built careers around drug arrests, including small amounts of marujuana. And these guys keep getting reelected. I don't think easing marijuana laws would go over well within their constituency. This describes virtually every jurisdiction in the rural midwest and south.

Take away California, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington state, and you don't have much of a push towards legalization.
__________________
ACC USN-(Ret)
BLS53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:27 PM   #197
Moderator Emeritus
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 11,044
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLS53 View Post
There sure must be a bunch of potheads on this board. I must live in a sheltered environment. 60 years old, and the only place I've seen a joint is in the movies.

I don't think my situation is unique among the general public. And there lies your problem with legalization.
I am no pothead (despite my living in San Francisco!). Still, it's hard to be unaware that some legal substances kill considerably more people than pot does. The vilification of MJ is hard for me to comprehend even if I have no desire to try it.
__________________
FIREd is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 09:05 PM   #198
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
brewer12345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLS53 View Post
There sure must be a bunch of potheads on this board. I must live in a sheltered environment. 60 years old, and the only place I've seen a joint is in the movies.

I don't think my situation is unique among the general public. And there lies your problem with legalization.
I might have touched the stuff twice in my life and haven't been near it in 20 years. I still voted for legalization in my state. I have no interest in the stuff, but the amount of time, money and effort we waste trying to prohibit something that appears to be benign strongly suggests to me that we should stop doing so. I would also be happy to see trafficking and illegal growing on public land stop. One of the places I hunt had a discovery by hunters in the backcountry of a several hundred plant grow going on. I would be pretty scared to stumble on that.
__________________
"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."



- Will Rogers
brewer12345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 09:14 PM   #199
Moderator
Ronstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: A little ways southwest of Chicago
Posts: 9,353
I voted yes. I don't see it as being different than alcohol. I say legalize and tax it.
__________________
Ronstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 09:47 PM   #200
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,268
I've never smoked marijuana and have no desire to, but it's no worse for you than alcohol so I see no reason for it to be illegal. The world would be a better place if neither alcohol or marijuana had ever been discovered, invented or introduced to society, but the fact of the matter is that they are here and they aren't going anywhere. People who wanted to drink during prohibition still did and people who want to smoke marijuana still do now so you might as well legalize it and tax it.

I say the same thing for gambling as well.
__________________

__________________
utrecht is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Have you ever smoked marijuana? W2R Other topics 144 10-08-2009 11:49 AM
marijuana for medicine and recreation Grizz Health and Early Retirement 9 03-25-2008 12:33 PM
Skunk Smell - Marijuana? TromboneAl Other topics 31 12-13-2006 04:04 PM
Smoking marijuana Martha Other topics 65 02-24-2006 01:26 PM
Marijuana and the Supremes Martha Other topics 16 06-09-2005 11:01 AM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:17 PM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.