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Old 02-24-2013, 12:03 AM   #241
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What that tells me is that your family and friends are happy with the status quo. They obtain marijuana with ease, and don't feel threatened by law enforcement. If they are individuals of prominent social stature, they would have more to lose by coming out of the closet, and pertaking in a legalization movement.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:37 AM   #242
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One of the major reasons to legalize it is to do away with the "gateway" effect. People have been smoking the stuff for thousands of years (Weed stash found in 2,700 year old Chinese tomb) and it's not going to stop because it's illegal. Since it is illegal though, users are forced to seek out the criminal element in order to obtain it and those criminals are all too happy to introduce teens to meth, heroin and other much more dangerous drugs. I'd much rather have teens have any older sibling get it for them at the local convenience store than have them seek out dangerous criminals in order to score a bag. Legalize it, regulate it and tax it and you will eliminate many more harmful effects on society than are introduced. And I do speak from experience having smoked my fair share over the years.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:03 PM   #243
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One of the major reasons to legalize it is to do away with the "gateway" effect. ... Legalize it, regulate it and tax it and you will eliminate many more harmful effects on society than are introduced.
Amen, more to the point, the illegality teaches young people to disrespect the law. They learn pretty quickly from respected elders - I learned from my hall counselors in college and from my older brother, all very successful and serious-minded people - that the stuff is not the demon it was made out the be. So they're like "THIS stuff is still illegal, what a bunch of bull". So they learn not to respect the laws and to mistrust and dislike cops. It's bone stupid.

PS. The rich don't respect the law because they know it can't touch them, and the poor don't respect the law because they know it won't protect them.
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Amen, more to the point, the illegality teaches young people to disrespect the law. They learn pretty quickly from respected elders - I learned from my hall counselors in college and from my older brother, all very successful and serious-minded people - that the stuff is not the demon it was made out the be. So they're like "THIS stuff is still illegal, what a bunch of bull". So they learn not to respect the laws and to mistrust and dislike cops. It's bone stupid.

PS. The rich don't respect the law because they know it can't touch them, and the poor don't respect the law because they know it won't protect them.
Congress is responsible for a lot of disrespect of the law. They have made so many stupid regulations that everyone has probably broken more than one.
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Mexico has a certain pragmatism about their laws. Here in PV, if your car has seat belts, you must wear them. But there is no law requiring your car to have seat belts.

Similarly, there is a law against carrying an open beer in public but it is seldom enforced. So many tourists don't even know it is against the law. Pot is allowed for personal use but not for trafficking.

So it is important to understand the practices as well as the law. In many ways, it is more enlightened. Police exercise their judgement. Who knew?
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Stick with the approved legal drugs. Like OxyContin, prescribed from Doc Feelgood down at the pill mill. With maybe a vodka chaser or four. Gaaaah! What could possibly go wrong?

"Legal" and "safe" turn out to be orthogonal concepts.

You can be "driving under the influence" from the effects of beta blockers for blood pressure control, or even an anticoagulant. Lets stop confusing what's legal to take with what's safe to be operating heavy machinery with.
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Stick with the approved legal drugs. Like OxyContin, prescribed from Doc Feelgood down at the pill mill. With maybe a vodka chaser or four. Gaaaah! What could possibly go wrong?

"Legal" and "safe" turn out to be orthogonal concepts.

You can be "driving under the influence" from the effects of beta blockers for blood pressure control, or even an anticoagulant. Lets stop confusing what's legal to take with what's safe to be operating heavy machinery with.

Every time I see or hear "Dr. Feelgood", it makes me smile, as I shared an office for a few years with someone and we established a routine. He was always there before me and when I showed up, he'd say, "Morning, Dr. Feelgood!", and I'd say, "What up, Holmes?"

There really was a Dr. Feelgood - he was called Piano Red.
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I don't know the background of the leg work that led up to the recent legislation in the individual states. My bet would be on the presence of a significant number of legislators that were elected to office based in part on a strong pro-marijuana platform. I don't see the political will for that on a national level.
Be glad you did not actually make that bet. In the state of Washington, there was no great movement to elect MJ friendly people to office. Unlike some issues such as abortion, MJ was not a great concern when vetting candidates or voting for them. For better or worse, this was a case where the people were out ahead of the leaders.

I do agree that on a national level the political will is not there.
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For any still on the fence...

Late to the party again.... Hadn't realized this thread had become so active of late.

IMO, some of the most cogent and persuasive thoughts & arguments I've read on legalization (and ending the war on drugs in general) have come (surprisingly, to me) from these two articles:

National Review Senior Editor Richard Brookhiser's Congressional Testimony (1996)

The War on Drugs is Lost

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The 'War on Marijuana' is being lost these days in 2014 because--since at least the early 1930s--it had been based on dickwad reasons.
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.... There is just too much stuff floating around these days to intoxicate folks both legally and otherwise. ...
And most of it people are getting legally at the pharmacy, the liquor store, and even the grocery store in some locales.

(There's not really a roadside breath test for any of that "pharmacy" stuff either)
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.... If they drive impaired or do something else stupid under the influence -- well, we already have laws to deal with that. ....
But we have an easy and fairly incontestable breathalyzer test for DUI alcohol .... kinda makes that low hanging fruit for law enforcement & the judicial system.
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One could just as easily use this logic to argue that alcohol should be illegal. We've already seen how well that works. I don't see a sudden rush to smoke pot if it were legal. The people who smoke now will continue to smoke; it just won't be illegal.
It just might though, be a little less accessible to the under-18 crowd if legalized and distributed/sold primarily through legitimate business establishments rather than drug cartels & street gangs.
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Regardless of one's opinion on marijuana ... I predict an increasing number of States & localities will legalize the sale of it to some degree or other ... probably not nationwide though. It will be too much of a cash-cow for a lot of State/local governments to ignore. (Anybody remember when the only casinos were in Vegas --- and there were no State Lotteries?)
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Congress is responsible for a lot of disrespect of the law. They have made so many stupid regulations that everyone has probably broken more than one.
Well yes, our various legislative bodies are who has made MJ illegal.

But as far as "regulations", I think those affect young people (in the formative years I referenced) a lot less than various prohibitions.
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