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Old 04-06-2011, 07:07 PM   #121
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My parents' experiences with the NHS have been similar to those described by nun. Hard to understand why some have such a strong negative reaction to the idea of 'socialized medicine'.

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My personal experiences with UK's socialized medicine have been excellent and my 85 year old mother has just had laser oblation and cataract surgery. She had to wait 2 months from her diagnosis, but of course hasn't paid a penny out of pocket. She's also on the usual cocktail of blood pressure, vaso dilators, and diabetes medications for an overweight older woman. But again no out of pocket cost. I visited her last Nov and noticed a small cut on her lower leg that she said wasn't healing. This is dangerous of someone with mild diabetes so I insisted she call the doctor. He came to the house that morning and the district nurse came over after lunch to treat and dress the cut. She visited everyother day for 2 weeks to make sure it healed.....and no out of pocket cost to my mum. So I feel the standard of care is better in the UK than my mum would get in the US and she never worries about insurance or how to pay. No system is perfect and there are waiting times in the UK for some procedures and the outcomes for others are not as good as in the USA, prostate cancer being one.....but all in all I think the UK system is better and the statistics and costs support my opinion.
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Old 04-06-2011, 08:23 PM   #122
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My parents' experiences with the NHS have been similar to those described by nun. Hard to understand why some have such a strong negative reaction to the idea of 'socialized medicine'.
'Socialized' implies 'socialism', which has generally been considered the Boogeyman in the United States since the 1940s. Social-anything tends to trigger a funny sort of knee-jerk reaction in a substantial part of the population.

One of the most pointed pieces I think I've ever read on why 'Socialized Medicine is Bad for America' was this gem. Read it carefully, and see how he handled his medical expenses. I found his approach interesting, and would like to know how we all can use this approach. There may be a scaling problem...
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... so I insisted she call the doctor. He came to the house that morning ...
A doctor came to her house? Ye gods!
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The boomers will grow old and die. The bills will be paid or not paid. There is always "death panels" for "putting them down" or "legal euthanasia" or both and a law mandating they choose.

Or, 80 years old, homeless, and feeling bad?- armed robbery and a plea bargain for a 20 year sentence where you can get the same health and long term care given prisoners, not the best perhaps but better than law abiding citizens will get if this thread is any indicator. Wikipedia says it is only about $100/day for aging prisoners, 3x the average.

The affordability thing is silly, IMO, since single payer became single shamer.
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'Socialized' implies 'socialism', which has generally been considered the Boogeyman in the United States since the 1940s. Social-anything tends to trigger a funny sort of knee-jerk reaction in a substantial part of the population.

One of the most pointed pieces I think I've ever read on why 'Socialized Medicine is Bad for America' was this gem. Read it carefully, and see how he handled his medical expenses. I found his approach interesting, and would like to know how we all can use this approach. There may be a scaling problem...
Interesting link.....I think I'll go with socialized medicine rather than "gift from God". I love it when people talk about freedom and religion in the same context, as being told what to think and the notion of faith always struck me as the opposite of freedom. I support socialism in health care, but not in thought....nobody tells me what to think man or god......small "g" to include all deities. Many religions (particularly the "fundamentalist" ones) are like celestial North Koreas where you are told what to think without the opportunity to question it.....Jesuits are an exception, they are always doubting and questioning.
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Interesting link.....I think I'll go with socialized medicine rather than "gift from God". I love it when people talk about freedom and religion in the same context, as being told what to think and the notion of faith always struck me as the opposite of freedom. I support socialism in health care, but not in thought....nobody tells me what to think man or god......small "g" to include all deities. Many religions (particularly the "fundamentalist" ones) are like celestial North Koreas where you are told what to think without the opportunity to question it.....Jesuits are an exception, they are always doubting and questioning.
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Supposedly, the claimed savings from the Ryan plan is based on some rosy assumptions, such as a 2.8% unemployment rate in 2020.


SOOOO, IOW we would still have huge deficits even if we cut all the items he has suggested because unemployment would not be that low and tax revenue would not go up as much....

Sounds like a reason to cut more....
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