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Old 07-01-2009, 02:54 PM   #21
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As Will Rogers once said, "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat."
Me too. But near as I can tell looking at both parties - they have one thing in common.

They're politicians.

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Old 07-01-2009, 06:20 PM   #22
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The movie, Stuart Saves His Family, is pretty amusing. Rent it if you get the chance.

I can't listen to him without expecting a joke.
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Remember, the foundation for the financial "rescue" was laid by the previous administration. Someone must work the mop.
Yes, but I'm not talking TARP. I'm talking about the stimulus monstrosity, that was the sole responsibility of the Dems (and 3 Repubs), was the first broken promise concerning legislation (the one about posting bills online at least 24 hours before voting), and hasn't really done anything.
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Remember, the foundation for the financial "rescue" was laid by the previous administration. Someone must work the mop.
UH..ok...........

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Cap and trade ... don't know what is/was going on there.
Easy, it will put American business growth back 50 years, other than that, a great idea........
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And his book, "I'm Good Enough" (etc.), on which the movie "Stuart Saves His Family," is based, is a novel in diary/daily affirmation form--one of my favorites and a sadly sweet story.

Not to mention he played baggage handler #1 in "Trading Spaces," which singlehandedly probably brought in five or six votes.
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Easy, it will put American business growth back 50 years, other than that, a great idea........
And raise consumers' electric bills 15-20%
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What do you get when you cross Al Franken and Ben Stein?

Franken-Stein!!!!
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These guys got elected, is Franken any more surprising (blame the electorate)...
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Midpac I think you nailed that one on the head. The present mess we are in is the sole responsibility of the voters. The average voter in the US has never even given a cursory glance at the Constitution or our historical heritage of Liberty.

The sole political question today is " How do I and mine use the federal government to take from some body else and then give it to me." except for the Republican Liberty caucus ( and they are a very small group) nobody in the country seems to be asking any of the fundamental questions about how much power the Federal government should have over our lives.

With the present electorate, having a clown as a Senator is a very small problem. The real problem is the number of true Narcissistic and Sociopathic personalities that have been in Washington for many terms. And will do anything in the world to get reelected regardless of the cost to our country or future generations.


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To me, the fundamental question is what are our values and what do we want our government to do to promote and preserve those values.

But whatever. Maybe the clown cares.
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Right on Martha. I don't really think a person’s previous job necessarily dictates his or her common sense and what they are capable of doing. There are brilliant and hard working people in many professions, including show business.

Many very unqualified politicians arrive at the Senator's seat, by starting as a Mayor or other local office of a small town, and work their way up until they reach their level of incompetence
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Personally, any time a high level politician doesn't have a law background, I find it refreshing. Not that there's anything wrong with lawyers in government, but I do think they are severely overrepresented, contrary to the original ideals of "citizen government."
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Had lunch with some grad school buddies yesterday. They both lean significantly to the left of my mid-steam political outlook. I chuckled to myself when they both heartily supported show biz types as politicians now that Franken is in office. Previously, they had condemned show biz types holding office since the two recent examples from California did not share their political persuasion! Well...... at least they're flexible!
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Youbet, you bet inconsistencies abound. I have heard the same. I never cared that Jesse Ventura was in show business, but I did care when he had goofy ideas or had a hard time getting along with either party and the press. I am sure I have my own inconsistencies as well.

More inconsistencies: people in congress saying government should butt out of health care decisions but the same people wanted to butt into medical decisions regarding Terri Shiavo. (I probably spelled her name wrong, too lazy to look up).
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Which just shows, of course, that pols on both sides of the aisle have their own best interests (of staying employed and playing to whoever will vote them back in again and again and again) in mind in most everything they do. Citizens support this folly by supporting political parties like their favorite sports team.

That's why ER is so relavent today..... The end is near. Enjoy life now.
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To me, the fundamental question is what are our values and what do we want our government to do to promote and preserve those values.

But whatever. Maybe the clown cares.
In a democracy, I guess that we end up coming to a consensus as to what values we wish to support (in theory at least).

The following is not directed towards you Martha, it is just a general observation:

It also seems to me, that if we say these "values" are what we collectively want to support, then we ought to collectively be willing to pay for them. It seems disingenuous to me to say we value them, but a future generation should pay for them. IMO, that shows a lack of values.

I'm in favor of progressive taxes (within reason), so I don't have a problem saying that the wealthier can/should support a larger burden. But I do think the vast majority should have some "skin in the game". But pushing the payment onto people who have not reached voting age (or may not even be born yet) is just wrong, IMO.

No taxation w/o representation?

Does the clown care? Maybe. Perhaps the clown figured out he can get votes from people who are OK with handing someone else the bill? I don't know.

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More inconsistencies: people in congress saying government should butt out of health care decisions but the same people wanted to butt into medical decisions regarding Terri Shiavo. (I probably spelled her name wrong, too lazy to look up).
And I'd bet that true Libertarians would butt out of both of those. They may not be popular, but at least they are consistent

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ERD50, which Clown are you referring to? There are so many to choose from...
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It also seems to me, that if we say these "values" are what we collectively want to support, then we ought to collectively be willing to pay for them. It seems disingenuous to me to say we value them, but a future generation should pay for them. IMO, that shows a lack of values.
Now there's something I can agree with!

With no particular reference to Franken (sorry, I know the thread is about Franken), I just can't get comfortable with living high on the backs of my kids and grandkids. For example, if we want a new healthcare system and it's going to cost more, fine. But let's stop the lies and plan to pay for it NOW, REAL TIME, with current taxes on the current beneficiaries. No more SS or Medicare schemes that simply transfer wealth from future generations to current consumers.

I know it takes courage to tell voters that a govt benefit has to be paid for and that they will be involved in paying for it. But isn't that what we elected this political majority for.......? To have courage and make changes?
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