ziggy29
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Here's an idea from a state in much better shape than Illinois. This proposal would start with a 20 million dollar incentive to move from the state pension plan to a 201K type of retirement plan. 2000 current employees would be able to make the jump if the plan is approved. What I am not certain of is if the incentive is also available for those on the hybrid DB/DC plan as well as those on the older DB plans.
This link basically shows what I was talking about in another thread yesterday. Traditionally (especially in the last few years) public sector work has looked a lot more attractive to a lot more people in large part because of perceived superior (and more stable) retirement benefits, such as full DB pensions and retiree health insurance... but people looking at entering public sector work today shouldn't assume they can put in their 20+ and get that deal.
In some sense, I guess the feds were 25-30 years ahead of their time when they moved from CSRS to FERS. Though this seems to be going to more of an extreme; at least new hires under FERS still have a three legged stool (with smaller pension plus TSP) while under this state proposal, there's no pension and all 401K. Perhaps this is a *slightly* easier sell now than it was in 2009 with the examples of "401Ks becoming 201Ks" fresh in everyone's mind. But I still think it will be a hard sell for those already in the system, though new hires and younger current employees at some point are likely to have no choice in the matter if they want a job.
This snippet describes the argument playing out all over the country rather well, as it really gets to the contention: the inability of the private sector worker's paycheck and benefits to keep up with those in the public sector. In particular, what the union leader and the state senator are saying succinctly summarizes almost the entire debate:
Tim Welch, a spokesman for the Washington Federation of State Employees, said there is no financial need to end public pensions, calling efforts to do so “a mean and nasty effort to harm public employees.”
If anything, Welch said, pensions enjoyed by public employees should be restored to the private sector, because 401(k) plans weren’t meant to provide a secure retirement for average workers.
But state Senate Majority Leader Rodney Tom predicted it would be difficult for the state to sell tax increases for schools or roads if public employees continue to hold on to pensions unavailable to most workers.
“I think that’s where we’re at — that’s where the private sector is at,” said Tom, D-Medina, who joined Republicans and one other Democrat last year to form a majority coalition in the Senate.
Tom proposed legislation last year that would have moved newly hired state workers, as well as current employees under age 45, to a 401(k) plan. The legislation didn’t go anywhere.
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