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Old 09-13-2019, 05:13 PM   #21
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Is it possible that Tesla doesn't approximate mileage left well in the mountains? She might've thought she had enough, but a long climb up to the parkway left her with very little. About the same as making that climb with 1/8 tank of gas.

EVs have road maps to know distance to charging stations, but do they have topo maps?

You need to know the terrain, in order to estimate mileage. Without knowing the change in elevation, the mileage estimation would be highly erroneous.
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OP here, so I guess if you have an electric car you have to have another car too--you drive the electric car in populated places with chargers and the other car in places with no chargers like the Blue Ridge Parkway?? What happens if you finally get to a place with one charger (like Blowing Rock, NC) and another car is using that charger?
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You whip out your gat and tell them to jam on down the road?
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OP here, so I guess if you have an electric car you have to have another car too--you drive the electric car in populated places with chargers and the other car in places with no chargers like the Blue Ridge Parkway?? What happens if you finally get to a place with one charger (like Blowing Rock, NC) and another car is using that charger?
I think thatís exactly right. While an electric car may be very close to the utility of an internal combustion engine, itís obviously not quite there yet. There may be work arounds but the infrastructure is just not fully built out yet. So yes, Iíd probably take a different car given certain circumstances. As was mentioned, renting a car may make sense.
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OP here, so I guess if you have an electric car you have to have another car too--you drive the electric car in populated places with chargers and the other car in places with no chargers like the Blue Ridge Parkway?? What happens if you finally get to a place with one charger (like Blowing Rock, NC) and another car is using that charger?
Depends. If you live in a large metro area and don’t travel beyond the round trip range of the car often, you rent an ICE car when you make a longer trip. There are some areas with a strong network of chargers between major metro areas that make longer trips viable, CA and northeast. For some an EV and ICE makes more sense, not everyone.

Most Tesla owners know this, and their cars show them where chargers are. Being completely stranded borders on willful ignorance...
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That is exactly why electric vehicles are not ready for prime time.
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While an electric car may be very close to the utility of an internal combustion engine, itís obviously not quite there yet. There may be work arounds but the infrastructure is just not fully built out yet.
We get spoiled by the availability of gas stations, but this problem is certainly not limited to electric cars.

Several years ago we took a road trip up to the Canadian Rockies. The sign said the next gas station was 150 miles. Our gas tank was 3/4 full so I wasn't worried about it. When we arrived at the gas station they were out of gas. The next gas station was definitely out of range, so the attendant suggested we head east about 50 miles to another station. We nervously back tracked to another highway heading into an area we new nothing about, hoping the gas station was really there and that it would have gas. Thankfully we found the station, filled up our tank, and saw scenery we otherwise would have missed. But it added a lot of miles to our trip and was a very tense time hoping we wouldn't run out of fuel in the middle of nowhere.

Whether gas or electric when you're out of the energy source, you're stuck. In time I'm sure electric charging stations will be as readily available as gas stations.
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On some less-traveled Alaska and Yukon roads, if the gas station en route is out of gas, you camp nearby to wait until the fuel truck arrives. Camping is a natural thing to do when you have an RV anyway.

It did not happen to us, because we did not take the really bad roads when we strayed off the main highway.


A few years ago, there was a story of a Californian who drove from the LA area to Phoenix. She ran out of gas somewhere between Blythe and Phoenix. Instead of waiting for the highway patrol to come to her aid, she took a detour off the freeway onto a dirt road going to look for a small town for gas. There was no small town! She already died of heat and thirst, when she was found by a rancher a day or two later.
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I looked up "gat". It's a slang term for a firearm.
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As someone that's a domestic traveler, I'm driving a 2018 Camry Hybrid that gets 49 mpg on the open road and has a range of 600 miles.

I have no desire to have to search around for a charging station. Around town, I have to fill up so infrequently that I often forget to watch my fuel gauge. I have all the pluses and none of the minus' of the fully electric car.
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As someone that's a domestic traveler, I'm driving a 2018 Camry Hybrid that gets 49 mpg on the open road and has a range of 600 miles.

I have no desire to have to search around for a charging station. Around town, I have to fill up so infrequently that I often forget to watch my fuel gauge. I have all the pluses and none of the minus' of the fully electric car.
+1. Weíve owned hybrids since 2007 (now on our 2nd)

I think our next car (5-7 years time) will be a plug-in hybrid. With a 20-30 mile range before the engine kicks in most of our local journeys will be on battery. These days we only do about 5k miles per year but for those driving vacation trips I really donít want to be planning around the availability of charging stations.

However, a lot can happen in a few years so who knows what the landscape will be then.
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OP here, so I guess if you have an electric car you have to have another car too--you drive the electric car in populated places with chargers and the other car in places with no chargers like the Blue Ridge Parkway?? What happens if you finally get to a place with one charger (like Blowing Rock, NC) and another car is using that charger?
Depends where you live and how much you travel by car. One could always rent for a long trip too.

I live in FL. The furthest I'm going to ever drive is to the other side of the state. I'm not the type to want to take a long road trip (my parents attempts ruined that idea for me as a teenager). So,yes, someone who wants to drive do that sort of driving without allowing for a lot of charging interruptions is going to have a hard time or need a 2nd car. Or rent one for the trip.

I don't think anyone thinks this is a deal breaker if they really want an EV. Just means nope, it's not for everyone.

Then again, many ICE engine cars aren't suited for long road trips. I don't want to spend more than 30 mins in the passenger seat of DH's subaru BRZ, it's not a road trip car even though it fills up on regular gas.
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The campground charging works fine if you can get a 220 50 amp plug and have the right 14-50 adapter for the portable electric charger. You can charge about 20 miles/hour.

I know a number of early tesla owners travelled across country using campground charging before Tesla’s charging network was widespread.

Tesla’s navigation system does a good job helping people find charging but only shows Tesla superchargers and Tesla destination chargers at this point.

I agree the industry needs to do a better job of explaining charging options and resources (plug-share is a great app for this) for new to electric owners.
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Isn't VW building its own network of chargers?

I would hope that charging an EV would be non-denominational. Any charger that meets minimum specs can charge any EV. Otherwise, the EV folks will be shooting themselves in the foot.
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if the gas station en route is out of gas, you camp nearby to wait until the fuel truck arrives.
When we were low on gas in Canada, the attendant said the truck wasn't expected that day. So we took his recommended adventure to the other gas station. Of course, a couple hours later on our way back past the original gas station, we saw the gas truck filling the tanks at the station.
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Isn't VW building its own network of chargers?

I would hope that charging an EV would be non-denominational. Any charger that meets minimum specs can charge any EV. Otherwise, the EV folks will be shooting themselves in the foot.
I know. Could you imagine pulling up to a gas station and not being able to find a nozzle that fits your gas tank? I hope the charging stations and the plugs are standard.
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Depends. If you live in a large metro area and donít travel beyond the round trip range of the car often, you rent an ICE car when you make a longer trip. There are some areas with a strong network of chargers between major metro areas that make longer trips viable, CA and northeast. For some an EV and ICE makes more sense, not everyone.

Most Tesla owners know this, and their cars show them where chargers are. Being completely stranded borders on willful ignorance...
That averages out to 30 locations/state.
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When we were low on gas in Canada, the attendant said the truck wasn't expected that day. So we took his recommended adventure to the other gas station. Of course, a couple hours later on our way back past the original gas station, we saw the gas truck filling the tanks at the station.
Well, the attendant did not know when the tanker truck would arrive either. Same with the grocery delivery truck, or the UPS, or anything.

Such is life in the boondocks. No next day Amazon Prime Service.
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I would hope that charging an EV would be non-denominational. Any charger that meets minimum specs can charge any EV. Otherwise, the EV folks will be shooting themselves in the foot.
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I know. Could you imagine pulling up to a gas station and not being able to find a nozzle that fits your gas tank? I hope the charging stations and the plugs are standard.

As I recall, Tesla offered its charging network to other EV makers. However, Tesla uses a different plug than the standard agreed on by other makers.

Now, perhaps Tesla set the precedent by having the first supercharging plug, but the other makers did not agree to it and had their own ideas. Perhaps Tesla superchargers are tuned to Tesla cars, and other EVs cannot be easily adapted to them. I don't know. It is another case of Betamax vs. VHS.

PS. The network to be built by VW as part of their penalty for the diesel emission fiasco will use the industry and international standard. Will Tesla change to work with it? I have not heard anything.
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