Sam said:
I was at the bottom when I came to this country 26 years ago. Now I'm ok. Now I'm not poor, but not rich. My family annual expense is around 60K, excluding taxes and kids' tuition. There are material things that I'd love to have, such as driving a 50K Lexus instead of my Maxima, having a brand new Lazy Daze in the big garage, fly first class all the times. If I did get those, would I be much happier? I think I would more proud of my financial success, but not sure about being happier.
Intriguing question, Sam, and one that's been getting a lot of airtime around the Nords household. We like to think that our values are reflected in our net worth instead of in our cars but we're trying to loosen up the purse strings a little. Frugal reflexes are very strong.
While I'd probably quickly become accustomed to driving a Lexus, I wouldn't enjoy the "overhead"-- the theft risk, the parking-lot dings, and the higher carrying costs of insurance & maintenance. I don't have to worry a bit about those issues in a 13-year-old beater. (In fact, lemme know when you ditch the Maxima!) Same with a McMansion, jewelry, and nicer clothing. Too much responsibility & extra work.
I think I could handle flying first class by myself or with spouse. But if we did that with our kid then I'd worry about spoiling her by developing a sense of entitlement.
Sam said:
So, for those who live the high life, with 100K, 200K, or even more a year, how do you manage to spend that money?
I don't think we'll ever qualify to answer this question.
Sam said:
Every now and then, I fantasize of having $1,000/day to spend. It's great for the first few days, few weeks, then I got stuck, unable to find ways to spend after that. Very pathetic, I know.
Our version is "You can't spend it fast enough." I'll tell spouse that the portfolio has risen 0.5% over the amount we'll need this year. (Yeah, we may need it later, but the goal of this exercise is to raise the SWR from 3.5% to 4%.) Then she has to pick a project or a purchase that's been on our list for a while.
The latest example was the dining room table. Ours was nearly 20 years old and needed its top sanded down & varnished. We could do it ourselves for the cost of the supplies but we don't enjoy that particular task and it's tough to get it perfect. We could buy a new table but it's hard to find value for less than $3000, which seems to be ridiculously expensive to our tastes. So we were going to spend a few hundred to have the local furniture repair company do the varnish.
Then spouse found the exact same table & six chairs on Craigslist, in pristine condition, for a ridiculously undervalued $650. We picked it up the next day. Now we're cleaning up the old table & chairs to sell for $800 (retailed for $2100 in 1988) and we're buying a glass top for the new table. Net cost will probably be under $100, so she's still not spending it fast enough.
Even our home improvement projects tend to save more than they spend. Our kid has to enter the Science Fair in her biology class, so she chose soil remediation with drought-tolerant `akulikuli. As she planned the project we realized that it could take over our entire downhill slope, stabilizing the soil while fixing nitrogen. We'd be able to stop watering the entire backyard, save $50/month in water bills, and stop pruning the jungle. But we're not spending it fast enough.
Letting go of frugal habits can be hard. Spouse pointed out that I'd been fixing my old one-cup coffeemaker for several years (it's about 10 years old) and that I should consider a new one. We found a nice Mr. Coffee model at the store but reflexively decided to return when it's on sale. Then we realized that we're talking about a 30-minute drive for a $20 coffeepot and we just bought the darn thing. It's very nice, but we're still not spending it fast enough!
Maybe it takes baby steps, starting with forcing ourselves to find at least one charity every year worthy of our $500 donation...
ladelfina said:
I used to buy a lot of fancy colorful shoes.. (mostly mark-downs but many more pairs than I needed; my best friend called me "Imelda").
FWIW her flamboyant defense lawyer,
Gerry Spence (put down your beverage and back off from your monitor before you click the link!), claims that most of her footwear was donated by friends, grateful beneficiaries, & jokers.