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HpRyder 02-26-2008 09:08 AM

Ed Slott Advice - any good?
 
I watched a KOCE pledge drive late last night and they featured Ed Slott talking about, essentially, his book content "Stay Rich Forever & Ever" scare stories. Of course it was lite on real how to information. Seemed to me to be like the "Rich Dad Poor Dad" series. I googled "Ed Slott" and only came up with 1 review not having anything to do with retirement planning material.

Has anyone had experience using Slotts approaches? Or his current material an OK top level reference source?

Any opinions?

crazy connie 02-26-2008 09:15 AM

YES. I use his material and website. He may be the best in the country and the responses on the board are usually by CPA's or Estate Attorneys.

FinanceDude 02-26-2008 09:46 AM

I have read his books and seen him live. He is an IRA guru, no bones about it.

HpRyder 02-26-2008 01:30 PM

Ok, I'll get his material from PBS & read it.
Thanks

growing_older 02-26-2008 07:32 PM

Don't know what material of his you saw, but he's the expert's expert on IRAs. His IRA books are among the best ever.

HpRyder 02-27-2008 08:50 AM

Don't know what material of his you saw, but he's the expert's expert on IRAs. His IRA books are among the best ever.

A local Orange County CA PBS tv station fund raiser showed him talking about retirement and tax saving. For a $200 "donation" you get his book "Stay Rich Forever & Ever", a "Stay Rich Retirement Work Book Kit" and an expanded dvd of the show with more material. The "donation" is certainly more than the individual pieces cost, assuming you could get the "Stay Rich Retirement Work Book Kit" and dvd. But it will be a convient starting point for me.

Nords 02-27-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HpRyder (Post 621215)
A local Orange County CA PBS tv station fund raiser showed him talking about retirement and tax saving. For a $200 "donation" you get his book "Stay Rich Forever & Ever", a "Stay Rich Retirement Work Book Kit" and an expanded dvd of the show with more material. The "donation" is certainly more than the individual pieces cost, assuming you could get the "Stay Rich Retirement Work Book Kit" and dvd. But it will be a convient starting point for me.

I wonder if he could've showed Orange County how to avoid that bankruptcy thing a few years back.

Before you spend the money, check your library for Ed's books (he's published several over the last 10 years) or post a question at his discussion board:
Ed Slott's IRA Forum :: Index

52andout 02-28-2008 06:13 AM

He has several books in my library that I have on order now thanks to this info.

One I am very interested in has the following title.

"Parlay your IRA into a family fortune, 3 easy steps for creating a lifetime supply of tax-deferred, even tax free wealth for you and your family."

Putting all this money away and managing it is one gigantic hurdle, figuring out how to take it all out and manage the tax aspects the absolute best you can is another. thanks for the link to the forum as well.

FinanceDude 02-28-2008 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 52andout (Post 621633)
How to Parlay Your IRA into a family fortune, 3 easy steps for creating a lifetime supply of tax-deferred, even tax free wealth for you and your family."

Putting all this money away and managing it is one gigantic hurdle, figuring out how to take it all out and manage the tax aspects the absolute best you can is another. thanks for the link to the forum as well.

That book is on my desk at all times, it's a MUST READ for anyone with an IRA...........;D

rodenkc 03-19-2012 01:05 PM

More Ed Slott questions
 
I also watched the PBS Ed Slott show and two statements caught my ears. Since some of you seem familiar with him and his writing (or the topic!), can you confirm if I mis-heard these, and add any other advice:

--"It is better to pay IRA taxes now (if you can) and roll them into Roth IRA's because the taxes you inevitably must pay will be higher if you wait 20 years (when you might 'normally' draw out the IRA's."

--"The biggest benefit in the tax code is Life Insurance." --is he referring to tax exemption on life insurance proceeds, or on premiums?

Many thanks for any input!

FinanceDude 03-19-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rodenkc (Post 1175069)
--"It is better to pay IRA taxes now (if you can) and roll them into Roth IRA's because the taxes you inevitably must pay will be higher if you wait 20 years (when you might 'normally' draw out the IRA's."

Ed believes tax rates will be sunstantially higher in the future, and will stay high for a long time. Given our govt's current course of action, he is right to think that..........

Quote:

--"The biggest benefit in the tax code is Life Insurance." --is he referring to tax exemption on life insurance proceeds, or on premiums?

Many thanks for any input!
He is referring to the proceeds going to beneficiaries tax free. He is BIG on Roth IRAs because you can create tax-free income for tour heirs........

Finance Dave 03-19-2012 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FinanceDude (Post 1175071)
Ed believes tax rates will be sunstantially higher in the future, and will stay high for a long time. Given our govt's current course of action, he is right to think that..........

While that may be true, what's really important is what your individual rate will be. If you will be in a significantly lower bracket in FIRE, then paying later may be smarter. This will likely be the case with us. We're in the 33% bracket now...and I'm estimating we'll be in the middle of the 25% bracket later. Sure, that 25% bracket may become a 30% bracket, but it's still lower than 33%. Could it be HIGHER than 33%? Doubtful IMO.

Each person will have a different set of circumstances and should weigh their options carefully.

nun 03-19-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HpRyder (Post 621215)
Don't know what material of his you saw, but he's the expert's expert on IRAs. His IRA books are among the best ever.

A local Orange County CA PBS tv station fund raiser showed him talking about retirement and tax saving. For a $200 "donation" you get his book "Stay Rich Forever & Ever", a "Stay Rich Retirement Work Book Kit" and an expanded dvd of the show with more material. The "donation" is certainly more than the individual pieces cost, assuming you could get the "Stay Rich Retirement Work Book Kit" and dvd. But it will be a convient starting point for me.

I've heard Ed Slott talk about IRAs and he's basically selling knowledge and strategies that you can pick up free of charge with some Googling and application of a little tax knowledge. You could also ask on this board.

He knows what he's talking about, but I'd give the $200 to support PBS rather than to get the book, that's just a bonus.

73ss454 03-19-2012 02:57 PM

I think his plan is a good one, but not for the living. If you are the next generation he's on target IMHO.

Trawler 03-19-2012 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Finance Dave (Post 1175093)
While that may be true, what's really important is what your individual rate will be. If you will be in a significantly lower bracket in FIRE, then paying later may be smarter. This will likely be the case with us. We're in the 33% bracket now...and I'm estimating we'll be in the middle of the 25% bracket later. Sure, that 25% bracket may become a 30% bracket, but it's still lower than 33%. Could it be HIGHER than 33%? Doubtful IMO.

Each person will have a different set of circumstances and should weigh their options carefully.

DW and I will have current taxe rate at 33% today and will wait to convert at at up to the 15% rate based on taxes rates today once ERd. Which we hope is soon. Another big consideration is lost the opportunity cost due to time value of money on the tax paid upfront when deciding to convert to a Roth.

LRDave 03-19-2012 03:11 PM

My kids tell me this Ed Slott guy is "da bomb! We should follow his advice most def!":laugh:

nun 03-19-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trawler (Post 1175114)
DW and I will have current taxe rate at 33% today and will wait to convert at at up to the 15% rate based on taxes rates today once ERd. Which we hope is soon. Another big consideration is lost the opportunity cost due to time value of money on the tax paid upfront when deciding to convert to a Roth.

As I have mandatory 401a contributions of $15k, 457 at $22.5k and 403b also at $22.5k and then you add in itemized deductions I end up paying 16% tax. In the first ER years I'll live on after tax money and do IRA to ROTH rollovers up to the 15% tax bracket. I should end up paying around 10% tax and when I take IRA income it will be around $40k a year so my tax bill will again be close to 10%.

pfleming 03-19-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rodenkc (Post 1175069)
--"The biggest benefit in the tax code is Life Insurance." --is he referring to tax exemption on life insurance proceeds, or on premiums?

Many thanks for any input!

Life insurance done how most people do it will be added to your estate upon death. If your estate is large enough to worry about estate taxes, setting up a life insurance trust can move the proceeds out of your estate to your beneficiaries and not taxed to your heirs. This requires multi-generational planning.

growing_older 03-19-2012 08:04 PM

I think another reason for favoring the Roth account and taxes now is to save higher taxes later if RMDs are high. Ed Slott advocates saving large amounts so that total IRA size could result in a substantial balance and potentially large RMD.

harley 03-19-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pfleming (Post 1175158)
Life insurance done how most people do it will be added to your estate upon death. If your estate is large enough to worry about estate taxes, setting up a life insurance trust can move the proceeds out of your estate to your beneficiaries and not taxed to your heirs. This requires multi-generational planning.

Mr. Slott also recommends using life insurance to pay whatever estate taxes are unavoidable. If your heir(s) own a policy on you (they pay the premiums), the payout upon your death isn't part of the estate and can be used to pay the estate taxes. He mentions that you can gift the heirs the money needed to make the premium payments. This works well up to a certain point, and assuming you can get the heirs to keep up the payments.


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