floatingdoc
Recycles dryer sheets
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- Oct 25, 2009
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Ok, I am probably about to get thrown off of this board. Oh, just about 1 week ago I posted my crazy (yah...I think that was the consensus) plan to "reach for yield" with "all junk portfolio". I was appropriately awoken to the fact that I could expect steadily declining net asset values due to the nature of the high yield and its all to close ties in terms of dividend payout to the stock markets general movements. It certainly seems as though the nav of high yield is slowly declining into nothingness. My questions are 2:
1. What is the best way to diversify a 100% bond fund portfolio besides holding the "total bond market" index? (should I decide to abandon the plan below)
2. (cringe) Dare I ask (beg) for this fine groups opinion on the relative safety of an all investment grade long term portfolio with similar principles (reinvest all dividends next 7-8 years then live on a portion of the dividend income and reinvest the remainder in the fund). Historically, going back to 1987, the monthly dividend has never been below 4 cents per share per month. Again, I can tolerate the declining NAV in the inevitable higher interest rate environment right around the corner. Perhaps running man can work some magic with that spread sheet of his? This fund should be much less correlated with stock prices. The current nav is 9.00 per share and a little rich for average since 1987 but not to bad. In a rising interest rate environment I would generally expect lower n.a.v. but a rising dividend payment yes? Again, I can live with that. I am seeking SHARE NUMBER appreciation, not overall value of portfolio. The overall value, while important, is not what I am after. In fact, I prefer higher interest rates. My reinvestments monthly are higher and share price supposedly lower. Ok...be gentle.
Scenario as follows:
50k out emergency fund
925k purchases 102,663 shares at nav 9.01 paying dividend .044 = 4517/month. Remove 30% for taxes to emergency fund monthly and Reinvest 70% of the distribution (0.7 x 4517= 3162 per month)
3162 per month reinvested at 9.01 is 4211 shares per year (more if nav declines, more if interest rates rise)
I also estimate contributing at least 70K year to this myself for next 7 years
so...
102,663 + (4211 x 7 years work) + (70000/9.01 x 7) =
102,663 + 29477 + 54,384 shares = 186,524 shares (all assuming 9.01 as nav throughout my lifetime)
186,524 shares paying 0.04 (a low lifetime estimate for this fund) = 89,531 annual Income. Inflation protection built in as interest rates will rise if inflation kicks in...which will produce a higher dividend as the fund is reinvested in higher coupons.
Assumptions:
1. The nav does not change or decrease (which would help my position)
2. Interest rates do not rise (which would also help my overall position ...I think)
3. I can continue working for 7 more years ?
4. I can continue contributing 70 K per year on my own.
5. That the fund will continue to pay at least 4 cents per share per month in dividends (history on my side here)
SHOULD I DOLLAR COST AVERAGE THE INITIAL PURCHASE?
1. What is the best way to diversify a 100% bond fund portfolio besides holding the "total bond market" index? (should I decide to abandon the plan below)
2. (cringe) Dare I ask (beg) for this fine groups opinion on the relative safety of an all investment grade long term portfolio with similar principles (reinvest all dividends next 7-8 years then live on a portion of the dividend income and reinvest the remainder in the fund). Historically, going back to 1987, the monthly dividend has never been below 4 cents per share per month. Again, I can tolerate the declining NAV in the inevitable higher interest rate environment right around the corner. Perhaps running man can work some magic with that spread sheet of his? This fund should be much less correlated with stock prices. The current nav is 9.00 per share and a little rich for average since 1987 but not to bad. In a rising interest rate environment I would generally expect lower n.a.v. but a rising dividend payment yes? Again, I can live with that. I am seeking SHARE NUMBER appreciation, not overall value of portfolio. The overall value, while important, is not what I am after. In fact, I prefer higher interest rates. My reinvestments monthly are higher and share price supposedly lower. Ok...be gentle.
Scenario as follows:
50k out emergency fund
925k purchases 102,663 shares at nav 9.01 paying dividend .044 = 4517/month. Remove 30% for taxes to emergency fund monthly and Reinvest 70% of the distribution (0.7 x 4517= 3162 per month)
3162 per month reinvested at 9.01 is 4211 shares per year (more if nav declines, more if interest rates rise)
I also estimate contributing at least 70K year to this myself for next 7 years
so...
102,663 + (4211 x 7 years work) + (70000/9.01 x 7) =
102,663 + 29477 + 54,384 shares = 186,524 shares (all assuming 9.01 as nav throughout my lifetime)
186,524 shares paying 0.04 (a low lifetime estimate for this fund) = 89,531 annual Income. Inflation protection built in as interest rates will rise if inflation kicks in...which will produce a higher dividend as the fund is reinvested in higher coupons.
Assumptions:
1. The nav does not change or decrease (which would help my position)
2. Interest rates do not rise (which would also help my overall position ...I think)
3. I can continue working for 7 more years ?
4. I can continue contributing 70 K per year on my own.
5. That the fund will continue to pay at least 4 cents per share per month in dividends (history on my side here)
SHOULD I DOLLAR COST AVERAGE THE INITIAL PURCHASE?