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Curious how many of you have a 401k, and if you know if any changes are being made because of the rules which go into effect on July 1?
I have a 401(k). I am on the 401(k) committee at work and am a fiduciary of the plan. There are absolutely no changes coming up.
In our plan there have never been any hidden charges or fees paid by the plan participants. We have a number of Fidelity Spartan Advantage index funds in the plan plus a number of actively-managed funds. The published expense ratios and NAVs are what participants actually get. So the "fee-disclosure" rules are a non-event for us.
The employer picks up the costs of administering the plan which is about $20 a participant annually.
We have a terrible 401k plan at work. No direct fees that will be affected by the new rules, but all the investment choices are 2% to over 3% annual fee funds. I've talked to the person responsible for choosing this plan and they want to stay with this provider one more year, then look for a low cost plan. I'm glad they are considering a change, but not happy it will take so long. Also, at least a little apprehensive that since we "chose" this plan at one time, the new choice may not be as good as I might hope.
My 401k is amazing, .02%-.06% expense ratios, plan to max it out every year. My HSA on the other hand is quite bad, mostly JPMorgan 1-1.5% loaded funds, and one near 0% money market, but there is luckily one unloaded SP500 index choice in it, though probably only because regulations require it to be there.
I'm on our retirement plan committee at work, which is great because it allows the finance people who may be more in tune with this benefit than HR to ensure that our plan is administered well. Seems like such a committee would definitely help at some of these high cost plans that everyone has been talking about especially if HR may not be very well educated on these matters. I believe setting up these committees is also considered a best practice from the Dept of Labor for employer 401k plan administration.
I hadn't really consider this but you are right. As a gross generalization you want HR people to have good soft skills and they often aren't really good with numbers.
In contrast the retirement plan committee needs people not only who are comfortable with numbers but are knowledgeable. While this is most likely to be people in fiance it isn't necessarily true. For instance, even taking the handful of investment oriented course, I learned very little about investing when getting my MBA. Many of the finance people I knew were very smart about corporate finance but pretty clueless about personal finance.
My guess is if you been following the forum for a year or two, read some of the books on the lists, and work for 100-500 person companies, odds are you know more about investing than all but 1/2 dozen or so your co-workers. You can probably do both yourself and your co-workers a favor by starting a retirement committee.
I'm on our retirement plan committee at work, which is great because it allows the finance people who may be more in tune with this benefit than HR to ensure that our plan is administered well. Seems like such a committee would definitely help at some of these high cost plans that everyone has been talking about especially if HR may not be very well educated on these matters. I believe setting up these committees is also considered a best practice from the Dept of Labor for employer 401k plan administration.
The rules changes were actually a benefit to our plan as it forced our provider to disclose how much money they were making off of us. We discovered that they had too high a profit and to make up the shortfall they are placing all the funds that they offer us that are non-proprietary in a lower fee share class. Took about 10 bps off of expenses for a good portion of the funds that are offered in our plan.
I hadn't really consider this but you are right. As a gross generalization you want HR people to have good soft skills and they often aren't really good with numbers.
In contrast the retirement plan committee needs people not only who are comfortable with numbers but are knowledgeable. While this is most likely to be people in fiance it isn't necessarily true. For instance, even taking the handful of investment oriented course, I learned very little about investing when getting my MBA. Many of the finance people I knew were very smart about corporate finance but pretty clueless about personal finance.
My guess is if you been following the forum for a year or two, read some of the books on the lists, and work for 100-500 person companies, odds are you know more about investing than all but 1/2 dozen or so your co-workers. You can probably do both yourself and your co-workers a favor by starting a retirement committee.
Our current HR Director is probably more knowledgeable on these things than our last one, but it really is not their forte and I would agree it probably isn't for most HR personnel. I would also agree with you that an MBA certainly does not make you wise on personal investing, and I've learned way more on reading books and this forum than any econ classes I ever took. Its really interesting the type of people that follow personal investing where I work and how they are not necessarily in the field where you would think and those that are in a complementary field to finance don't seem to care about it to near the degree.
I'm not a huge fan of a committee for everything as they can quickly turn into time sinks for everyone involved, but a retirement committee can be a huge benefit and not waste a lot of time. You really only need to meet maybe twice a year to just review your plan, investment options, fees, employee feedback, etc and if composed of the right people it can be a big benefit to employees and a nice asset for your HR department as well.
Be careful what you ask for. Our analysis of a Roth 401(k) showed that only the wealthiest folks in the company would benefit.Funny you should ask. I work for a small company that is fairly young. I am not impressed with our 401k choices, so recently I asked the Benefits person about fees (who is paying them), and about adding a Roth 401k. He couldn't answer the fees questions, and asked my why anyone would want a Roth. I explained the benefits, especially for younger folks, and he asked me a second time.
Be careful what you ask for. Our analysis of a Roth 401(k) showed that only the wealthiest folks in the company would benefit.
The rank-and-file:
1. Would be be totally confused and probably not choose the more beneficial traditional 401(k) option
2. Could use a Roth IRA outside of the company plan anyways
3. Would not save more than the limit of the outside Roth IRA anyways
4. Would increase their taxes because they wouldn't know about certain phase-outs due to higher adjusted gross income
5. Would be in a much lower income tax bracket in retirement anyways since they were not saving enough for retirement anyways.