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It is annual enrollment time for DW's plan, which offers great affordable coverage for our whole family of 2 adults and 3 kids.
I have narrowed the choices down to 2 plans:
1. UnitedHealthcare High Deductible Health Plan ("HDHP" hereafter) and
2. UHC's "Basic" plan ("Gold Plated" hereafter)
The HDHP has a $3000 deductible and pays 80% after that.
The Gold Plated plan has $0 deductible with $25 copays for primary care and urgent care visits, and $40 for specialists. Major stuff is 80% paid for right off the bat, unless it is hospital admission or emergency room, then there is a $100 copay before the 80% kicks in.
The Family out of pocket max on both plans is $7000. For the Gold Plated plan, there is an additional out of pocket max for each Individual of $3500. This individual limit doesn't appear to be present on the HDHP.
I am comparing these two plans on an after tax basis to see which is the better deal. I think I know the answer but wanted to bounce this off the incredibly smart, talented, and good looking crew here.
HDHP costs $266 per year after tax. Gold Plated plan costs $741 after tax. Per year. With HDHP I can put $6450 into an HSA and save $2880 on taxes (44.65% marginal effective tax rate). For the sake of argument, I could put $450 into a FSA with the Gold Plated plan and save $201 on taxes (and assume there is zero risk I would not use it all in 2013).
To summarize, the HDHP results in a cost of $266 + (-$2880) = -$2614 after taxes (in other words, we save a net of $2614 by doing HDHP+HSA). The Gold Plated Plan results in an after tax cost of $741 + (-$201) = $540.
This makes the HDHP $3,154 cheaper than the Gold Plated plan, after taxes.
I am thinking that the HDHP plan is the way to go. A savings of $3,154 would pay the $3000 deductible in full on the HDHP if we were to experience a significant medical issue during the year. Then we would be paying 20% of the next $20,000 (or $4000 more) to hit the $7000 out of pocket max. In contrast, we could pay $3,154 extra to get the Gold Plated plan and forgo any deductible and start paying 20% of the next $17,500 (or $3,500 more) as soon as we had a medical issue (or up to $3,500 x2 if more than one person has a medical issue).
So for a worst case medical catastrophe that cost $23,000 exactly, the HDHP would cost $346 more after taxes. HDHP = $3000 deductible + $4000 coinsurance - $3154 net savings due to HDHP = $3846 expense after taxes. Gold Plated = $0 deductible + $3500 coinsurance - $0 = $3500 expense after taxes.
On top of that, Gold Plated plan copays don't count toward the out of pocket max, and they can add up.
I think the worst case of $346 additional costs, at least partially offset by copays required is a worthwhile gamble to save a potential $3,154 minus whatever we expend on non-preventative healthcare during the year.
As for assumptions, we are all basically healthy and don't foresee needing any medical attention in 2013, but you never know. Almost zero Rx costs unless we have something come up. Our HSA is through Fidelity and already established, so no extra cost for admin fees, and extremely low expense ratio funds available. In this analysis, I also neglected the ongoing tax savings of sheltering another $6450 worth of investments from the tax man, meaning that ~$200 or so of income won't be taxed at all each year in perpetuity. I figure we will be spending money on healthcare at some point in the future so I can withdraw from HSA tax free later for qualified medical expenses (which is why I realize the tax savings now in my analysis).
Thoughts? Critique of math or methods?
The only shortcoming to the HDHP is that we are slightly more likely to defer visiting the doc since we have to weigh the full cost of services against the potential benefit of services provided instead of paying nearly nothing or only 20% of the cost under Gold Plated plan.
I have narrowed the choices down to 2 plans:
1. UnitedHealthcare High Deductible Health Plan ("HDHP" hereafter) and
2. UHC's "Basic" plan ("Gold Plated" hereafter)
The HDHP has a $3000 deductible and pays 80% after that.
The Gold Plated plan has $0 deductible with $25 copays for primary care and urgent care visits, and $40 for specialists. Major stuff is 80% paid for right off the bat, unless it is hospital admission or emergency room, then there is a $100 copay before the 80% kicks in.
The Family out of pocket max on both plans is $7000. For the Gold Plated plan, there is an additional out of pocket max for each Individual of $3500. This individual limit doesn't appear to be present on the HDHP.
I am comparing these two plans on an after tax basis to see which is the better deal. I think I know the answer but wanted to bounce this off the incredibly smart, talented, and good looking crew here.
HDHP costs $266 per year after tax. Gold Plated plan costs $741 after tax. Per year. With HDHP I can put $6450 into an HSA and save $2880 on taxes (44.65% marginal effective tax rate). For the sake of argument, I could put $450 into a FSA with the Gold Plated plan and save $201 on taxes (and assume there is zero risk I would not use it all in 2013).
To summarize, the HDHP results in a cost of $266 + (-$2880) = -$2614 after taxes (in other words, we save a net of $2614 by doing HDHP+HSA). The Gold Plated Plan results in an after tax cost of $741 + (-$201) = $540.
This makes the HDHP $3,154 cheaper than the Gold Plated plan, after taxes.
I am thinking that the HDHP plan is the way to go. A savings of $3,154 would pay the $3000 deductible in full on the HDHP if we were to experience a significant medical issue during the year. Then we would be paying 20% of the next $20,000 (or $4000 more) to hit the $7000 out of pocket max. In contrast, we could pay $3,154 extra to get the Gold Plated plan and forgo any deductible and start paying 20% of the next $17,500 (or $3,500 more) as soon as we had a medical issue (or up to $3,500 x2 if more than one person has a medical issue).
So for a worst case medical catastrophe that cost $23,000 exactly, the HDHP would cost $346 more after taxes. HDHP = $3000 deductible + $4000 coinsurance - $3154 net savings due to HDHP = $3846 expense after taxes. Gold Plated = $0 deductible + $3500 coinsurance - $0 = $3500 expense after taxes.
On top of that, Gold Plated plan copays don't count toward the out of pocket max, and they can add up.
I think the worst case of $346 additional costs, at least partially offset by copays required is a worthwhile gamble to save a potential $3,154 minus whatever we expend on non-preventative healthcare during the year.
As for assumptions, we are all basically healthy and don't foresee needing any medical attention in 2013, but you never know. Almost zero Rx costs unless we have something come up. Our HSA is through Fidelity and already established, so no extra cost for admin fees, and extremely low expense ratio funds available. In this analysis, I also neglected the ongoing tax savings of sheltering another $6450 worth of investments from the tax man, meaning that ~$200 or so of income won't be taxed at all each year in perpetuity. I figure we will be spending money on healthcare at some point in the future so I can withdraw from HSA tax free later for qualified medical expenses (which is why I realize the tax savings now in my analysis).
Thoughts? Critique of math or methods?
The only shortcoming to the HDHP is that we are slightly more likely to defer visiting the doc since we have to weigh the full cost of services against the potential benefit of services provided instead of paying nearly nothing or only 20% of the cost under Gold Plated plan.