I really struggling on an issue that I'm hoping talking it through with you fine folks will help.
DW and I have been very good about maximizing every opportunity to defer taxes using our 401ks, HSAs, etc. This has allowed us to historically stay around the top of the 15% bracket or not far into the 25% bracket... a pretty happy place to be from a tax standpoint. I prepared a tax projection (as I usually do this time of year) and for the first time it looks like we're going to be in the 28% bracket. Don't get me wrong, we're not complaining... these tax "problems" are only because things are going pretty well for us financially.
But getting closer to the real issue...
We never really planned on having this level of income. I sort of thought we'd FIRE before reaching this income level but since it sort of surprised us I think we may have to consider changing our long-term saving approach. I used to think maximizing all tax-deferred vehicles was the way to go because if we could save 25% on taxes now while w*rking and then distribute from our accounts in retirement at 15%... that's a pretty good deal. So now that we're looking at the 28% bracket, in one way it seems even more important to defer taxes as much as possible... on the other hand, it looks like we may not be in the 15% bracket in retirement anymore if most of our money is in tax-deferred vehicles. I ran a retirement projection that shows we will realistically fall in the 25% bracket... all because we're being so diligent about putting money away in our retirement plans... but haven't had much excess to save after tax. If we have to primarily live off these accounts in retirement, as you know, it's all taxed at ordinary income tax rates. We have been funding Roth IRAs but these accounts will be small compared to our 401k balances. 25% is still lower than 28% so maybe the same approach should apply.
When I think it through, it seems like a reasonable consideration from a long-term planning perspective that we should look at reducing our tax-deferred savings now and increase our after-tax savings so we're not socked later by taxes. We could better manage our tax bracket if we had more tax buckets to choose from. Obamacare is a good example of why this would be a good strategy. At this point, I think we'd be over the income limit to get any kind of break on our health insurance premiums... assuming nothing changes with the law. This could be a big deal if we FIRE at 55.
DW and I could both start funding Roth 401ks at work... or just one of us could change. The problem is, this will drive me absolutely crazy now. I won't like seeing our tax bill jump up dramatically because $35,000 that used to be tax deferred is immediately slammed onto page one of our tax return. Ack!
It's possible that our incomes will continue to increase nicely and we could simply continue funding the pre-tax 401ks and put as much away as possible on an after-tax basis... but who knows if our good fortune will continue like this. It looks like we've got a solid 10 years left in the w*rkforce to save but that could certainly change as well. The future is bright but you never know.
Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. When it's your own money / taxes, sometimes I think a person's judgment can be a little clouded. And there's so much uncertainty in tax law and our personal lives that I'm not sure there's a perfect answer.
DW and I have been very good about maximizing every opportunity to defer taxes using our 401ks, HSAs, etc. This has allowed us to historically stay around the top of the 15% bracket or not far into the 25% bracket... a pretty happy place to be from a tax standpoint. I prepared a tax projection (as I usually do this time of year) and for the first time it looks like we're going to be in the 28% bracket. Don't get me wrong, we're not complaining... these tax "problems" are only because things are going pretty well for us financially.
But getting closer to the real issue...
We never really planned on having this level of income. I sort of thought we'd FIRE before reaching this income level but since it sort of surprised us I think we may have to consider changing our long-term saving approach. I used to think maximizing all tax-deferred vehicles was the way to go because if we could save 25% on taxes now while w*rking and then distribute from our accounts in retirement at 15%... that's a pretty good deal. So now that we're looking at the 28% bracket, in one way it seems even more important to defer taxes as much as possible... on the other hand, it looks like we may not be in the 15% bracket in retirement anymore if most of our money is in tax-deferred vehicles. I ran a retirement projection that shows we will realistically fall in the 25% bracket... all because we're being so diligent about putting money away in our retirement plans... but haven't had much excess to save after tax. If we have to primarily live off these accounts in retirement, as you know, it's all taxed at ordinary income tax rates. We have been funding Roth IRAs but these accounts will be small compared to our 401k balances. 25% is still lower than 28% so maybe the same approach should apply.
When I think it through, it seems like a reasonable consideration from a long-term planning perspective that we should look at reducing our tax-deferred savings now and increase our after-tax savings so we're not socked later by taxes. We could better manage our tax bracket if we had more tax buckets to choose from. Obamacare is a good example of why this would be a good strategy. At this point, I think we'd be over the income limit to get any kind of break on our health insurance premiums... assuming nothing changes with the law. This could be a big deal if we FIRE at 55.
DW and I could both start funding Roth 401ks at work... or just one of us could change. The problem is, this will drive me absolutely crazy now. I won't like seeing our tax bill jump up dramatically because $35,000 that used to be tax deferred is immediately slammed onto page one of our tax return. Ack!
It's possible that our incomes will continue to increase nicely and we could simply continue funding the pre-tax 401ks and put as much away as possible on an after-tax basis... but who knows if our good fortune will continue like this. It looks like we've got a solid 10 years left in the w*rkforce to save but that could certainly change as well. The future is bright but you never know.
Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. When it's your own money / taxes, sometimes I think a person's judgment can be a little clouded. And there's so much uncertainty in tax law and our personal lives that I'm not sure there's a perfect answer.