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urn2bfree 03-21-2014 08:30 AM

Even the use of the word may be a subtle attempt to dissuade people from wanting reti
 
I guess since I am enjoying my FIRE so much the "tired" part or being retired never occurred to me until a friend mistook a comment someone made about me. (Someone said I looked "retired" and the friend argued that I looked great having mistakenly thought that the other person just said that I looked "tired.")

This got me thinking about the word "retire."
Where does it come from?
Is the use of this sort of negative sounding word an example of Orwellian thought control,a not so subtle framing of reference for something that the establishment wants to discourage?
Am I being paranoid?
Do I have too much time that I am thinking about this?
Does this bother anyone else?

So --the word means to withdraw- from middle French- "tirade again." People also use the phrase to mean to go to bed. The implication is clear- retirement is to leave the action! to go to sleep...I think we can safely say that this is seldom heard as an enCOURAGING word. "COURAGE" and withdrawal do not usually go together.

For me, retirement has been to wake up, to be free to go and do what my heart directs, not anyone else. The only sense I feel I am "withdrawing" is from my back account. Even FIRE, the acronym has some negative connotations as it relates to the act of being forced out of a job. What is interesting is that despite these possible attempts at linguistic propaganda, retirement is still something to which many if not most people aspire. You cannot hide this warm fire under a barrel. This rose by another name still gives off an enticing aroma. While I do think a different word would better reflect the reality of what retirement can be, it certainly does not seem necessary.

I have heard some say "rewire." I get it, but it is still bowing towards the original negative word for me. I am not sure what word would suit, but emancipation or emancipated, certainly feel closer to my experience.

Anybody else think about this?

REWahoo 03-21-2014 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by urn2bfree (Post 1429567)
Anybody else think about this?

No, but retired people have have to spend their time doing something, and we now know navel gazing is high on your to do list. :)

misty57 03-21-2014 09:08 AM

Interesting observations. Personally, I don't care what they call it; I'm just glad we've "arrived"!! :dance:

ggbutcher 03-21-2014 12:04 PM

Look it up in Merriam-Webster, 'retire' is used a number of related ways. The common theme seems to be 'to withdraw from'; but now you can play with the word 'withdraw' :D

I personally feel the word has a proper connotation in our context on this forum. 'Retiring' from work not only has financial considerations, but for a lot of folks, what it means to their sense of contribution and worth when go from participating in a career to 'something else'. Most on this forum seem have a very clear and constructive sense of that 'something else', but not all facing retirement do. If it dissuades folk who are concerned and uncertain about what they're going to replace work with in their life, I think that's okay. You've gotta think through the transition, achieve some sort satisfaction in the outcome.

I know a few folks who fully retired from work without considering this, and they did not find their new situation comfortable for various reasons. FI isn't necessarily the most important thing to consider, IMHO.

Major Tom 03-21-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by urn2bfree (Post 1429567)
Do I have too much time that I am thinking about this?

Yes, I think so ;)

As long as you feel happy and engaged in the life you have, not too much else matters. Enjoy!

FIREd 03-21-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by urn2bfree (Post 1429567)

So --the word means to withdraw- from middle French- "tirade again."

The French word itself, "retraite", has a latin origin meaning "pull back" or "withdraw" - retrahere. The english word "retreat" shares the same etymology and has a mostly negative connotation. But perhaps retirement has a negative connotation due to the fact that, throughout most of history, few people retired by choice. People were retired from service when they could no longer physically perform their duties. "Retirees" were probably marginalized and in poor health. Therefore, until fairly recently, retirement was perceived rather negatively.

robnplunder 03-21-2014 12:52 PM

If it is any consolation, "fired" sounds even worse, far worse. (No offense to FIREd - Moderator Emeritus :))

FIREd 03-21-2014 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by robnplunder (Post 1429721)
If it is any consolation, "fired" sounds even worse, far worse. (No offense to FIREd - Moderator Emeritus :))

None taken!:laugh:

Tadpole 03-21-2014 01:45 PM

OK, let's just call it rejuvenate.

W2R 03-21-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Major Tom (Post 1429695)
As long as you feel happy and engaged in the life you have, not too much else matters. Enjoy!

+1. It's nice to have a healthy interest in language, as long as it contributes to your happiness in retirement. If not, I'd move on to something that does. :)

EastWest Gal 03-21-2014 09:32 PM

I'm not there yet but emancipated feels like the right word. Being free of the meaningless and uselessness of the workplace politics, yep, emancipation. Working for others is an indentured servitude in which the endpoint is arbitrary and only to serve the needs of the employer, never the employee.

EllisWyatt 03-24-2014 10:08 AM

I'm simply calling it my "Graduation" - feel like I'm graduating from the w**kplace into my next phase.

Dash man 03-24-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by EllisWyatt (Post 1430687)
I'm simply calling it my "Graduation" - feel like I'm graduating from the w**kplace into my next phase.

All these posts pondering what is the proper word for our life situation sounds like too much w*rk to me. :nonono:

Hermit 03-24-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FIREd (Post 1429718)
... The english word "retreat" shares the same etymology and has a mostly negative connotation...

My first thought of retreat -
from Wikipedia: Retreat (spiritual), a religious or spiritual term for time taken to reflect or meditate.

I guess it is how you think of the word. I've definitely had more time to reflect and meditate since RE.

seraphim 03-24-2014 11:05 AM

I've withdrawn from the workforce. Works for me...

ERhoosier 03-24-2014 12:43 PM

Always bothered me how society insists on labeling people by stereotypes. A 50-something who is FI after 30+yr megacorp buyout is "retired", but in reality they are no more (or less) "retired" than an uber-wealthy 30-something member of the lucky sperm club heir whose biggest 'job' in life is deciding whether to cruise on the yacht or play tennis or golf at 'The Club' this afternoon. A 50-something writer/artist/actor/angel investor who just cashed in on their latest big project is not "retired" but still viewed as writer/artist/actor/investor. No one questions when they are "between projects". Folks "between projects" are still invited to office/industry events but "retired" folks are not.... despite fact that some rather successful businesses & charity projects have been started by "retired" folks. Why can't people just be "between projects" rather than pigeonholed as "retired"?

Perhaps "retired" should be "retired" from the dictionary :coolsmiley:

aja8888 03-24-2014 03:36 PM

"My car needs new tires......"

"Well, get it re-tired..."

(same car, new connection to the road).;D

travelover 03-24-2014 05:59 PM

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"My car needs new tires......"

"Well, get it re-tired..."

(same car, new connection to the road).;D

What's old is new again.

seraphim 03-24-2014 07:19 PM

I wish...

robnplunder 03-25-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ERhoosier (Post 1430781)
Always bothered me how society insists on labeling people by stereotypes. A 50-something who is FI after 30+yr megacorp buyout is "retired", but in reality they are no more (or less) "retired" than an uber-wealthy 30-something member of the lucky sperm club heir whose biggest 'job' in life is deciding whether to cruise on the yacht or play tennis or golf at 'The Club' this afternoon. A 50-something writer/artist/actor/angel investor who just cashed in on their latest big project is not "retired" but still viewed as writer/artist/actor/investor. No one questions when they are "between projects". Folks "between projects" are still invited to office/industry events but "retired" folks are not.... despite fact that some rather successful businesses & charity projects have been started by "retired" folks. Why can't people just be "between projects" rather than pigeonholed as "retired"?

Perhaps "retired" should be "retired" from the dictionary :coolsmiley:

Gone! In my dictionary at least. When asked, I will just say that I am an actor.


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