Telly
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
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FRA for DW & me is 66. DW is one year younger than me.
Using the spreadsheet that I have developed and refined over the years, I ran two plans:
Plan A - I start SS @ FRA; One year later DW at her FRA starts SS on my record.
Plan B - I file-and-suspend at age 67, so DW can file at her FRA on my record. I start benefits at age 70.
Constants: Inflation 3%; SS COLA 2%; Portfolio return 6% nominal; Same portfolio start value; Same tiny pension for me; DW same 1/2 of my FRA amount for her SS, modified same by her GPO.
What was Unexpected? It never crosses over!
Plan A always has the highest amount in the kitty, all the way through age 95 where I stop. The cause seems to be that Plan B requires substantial withdrawals for my age years 66,67,68,69, that Plan A does not. And those substantial withdrawals are a lost opportunity at 6%, that can never be overcome by the larger SS values over time.
I have played making the portfolio start value larger and smaller, the effect is still the same, no crossover.
Now one could say: "SO WHAT!! If you are holding off SS till age 70 to help guaranty DW having a better COLA'd lifetime annuity (and therefore it is assumed more total $$ to live on than not), Plan B will be better if you die before her (which is likely)."
So I then made a Plan A Prime, and a Plan B Prime, the difference from the earlier plans is I die at 73, and DW switches over to my full record in each case. My tiny pension stops either way, DW is GPO'd either way.
And the result was... Taking SS at my FRA rather than at 70 continued to have the highest portfolio amount, even with me dying at 73.
I have looked for errors, and have found none. Interesting, and unexpected!
Using the spreadsheet that I have developed and refined over the years, I ran two plans:
Plan A - I start SS @ FRA; One year later DW at her FRA starts SS on my record.
Plan B - I file-and-suspend at age 67, so DW can file at her FRA on my record. I start benefits at age 70.
Constants: Inflation 3%; SS COLA 2%; Portfolio return 6% nominal; Same portfolio start value; Same tiny pension for me; DW same 1/2 of my FRA amount for her SS, modified same by her GPO.
What was Unexpected? It never crosses over!
Plan A always has the highest amount in the kitty, all the way through age 95 where I stop. The cause seems to be that Plan B requires substantial withdrawals for my age years 66,67,68,69, that Plan A does not. And those substantial withdrawals are a lost opportunity at 6%, that can never be overcome by the larger SS values over time.
I have played making the portfolio start value larger and smaller, the effect is still the same, no crossover.
Now one could say: "SO WHAT!! If you are holding off SS till age 70 to help guaranty DW having a better COLA'd lifetime annuity (and therefore it is assumed more total $$ to live on than not), Plan B will be better if you die before her (which is likely)."
So I then made a Plan A Prime, and a Plan B Prime, the difference from the earlier plans is I die at 73, and DW switches over to my full record in each case. My tiny pension stops either way, DW is GPO'd either way.
And the result was... Taking SS at my FRA rather than at 70 continued to have the highest portfolio amount, even with me dying at 73.
I have looked for errors, and have found none. Interesting, and unexpected!
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