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I think I have a handle on this but want to post my thinking to get some other perspectives.
I'm planning to take my company pension when I turn 60 this year. As background, I left the company back in the late 90s but could start drawing benefits anytime between age 55 and age 65. The monthly benefit grew at 9.3%/annum from age 55 to age 60 so I have deferred starting my benefits. However from age 60 on the annual benefit increases are more modest, about 4.5% from 60-61 grading down to 3.5% from age 64-65. Since the increases are moderating I think I am better off starting to draw now rather than later.
Given that the monthly benefit increase is moderating is taking my pension now rather than waiting for annual increases of 4.5-3.5% make sense? I realize that by taking it now that I am reducing the amounts I can convert to a Roth staying with in the 15% tax bracket over the next 10 years.
DW is 8 months older than I am, we are both healthy and my family has slightly better longevity.
While I have 13 different pension choices, the choices I am focused on are a single life benefit, joint life with 100% survivorship, joint life with 2/3 survivorship and joint life with 50% survivorship and are $1,613, $1,462, $1,568 and $1,627 per month, respectively.
The cost of insurance to fund a SPIA to cover the benefits lost under the single life option is much higher than the $151 difference in benefit compared to the joint/100% option even using a term insurance ladder so the single life option with life insurance isn't very attractive and there is some tail risk since the life insurance would only go out until I'm 85 but I have some whole life coverage that I might arguably cover the tail.
I did an analysis based on current annuity pricing of how much a SPIA sufficient to provide the benefits that DW would lose if I predecease her and we chose the joint/67% and joint/50% versus joint/100% and the cost of a ladder of term policies to fund the SPIA would cost. See Creating a Life Insurance Ladder
Interestingly, for the joint/100% option compared to joint/67% and joint/50%, the cost of the life insurance would approximate the difference in benefits within +/-$50/month. The cost of insuring for the lost benefits declines over time because the decline in the amounts needed for the SPIA exceed the increase in the unit cost of the insurance as I get older. This pension will replace ~20% of our annual living costs so some minor differences are inconsequential in the whole scheme of things.
One risks is that a 25 year term policy only takes me out to age 85 but I have factored in a provision for life insurance coverage after age 85 at 150% of the cost of 25 year level term.
The more important risk to me is execution risk of having a ladder of 4 or more different term life policies and that DW will actually remember to buy the SPIA to replace the benefits lost, that SPIA pricing could change over time, etc. DW is capable, but generally disinterested in our finances.
My current thinking is that the simplicity of the joint survivor option with full benefits is best since it is simple and the financial benefit of a more complex approach is minimal. Thoughts?
I'm planning to take my company pension when I turn 60 this year. As background, I left the company back in the late 90s but could start drawing benefits anytime between age 55 and age 65. The monthly benefit grew at 9.3%/annum from age 55 to age 60 so I have deferred starting my benefits. However from age 60 on the annual benefit increases are more modest, about 4.5% from 60-61 grading down to 3.5% from age 64-65. Since the increases are moderating I think I am better off starting to draw now rather than later.
Given that the monthly benefit increase is moderating is taking my pension now rather than waiting for annual increases of 4.5-3.5% make sense? I realize that by taking it now that I am reducing the amounts I can convert to a Roth staying with in the 15% tax bracket over the next 10 years.
DW is 8 months older than I am, we are both healthy and my family has slightly better longevity.
While I have 13 different pension choices, the choices I am focused on are a single life benefit, joint life with 100% survivorship, joint life with 2/3 survivorship and joint life with 50% survivorship and are $1,613, $1,462, $1,568 and $1,627 per month, respectively.
The cost of insurance to fund a SPIA to cover the benefits lost under the single life option is much higher than the $151 difference in benefit compared to the joint/100% option even using a term insurance ladder so the single life option with life insurance isn't very attractive and there is some tail risk since the life insurance would only go out until I'm 85 but I have some whole life coverage that I might arguably cover the tail.
I did an analysis based on current annuity pricing of how much a SPIA sufficient to provide the benefits that DW would lose if I predecease her and we chose the joint/67% and joint/50% versus joint/100% and the cost of a ladder of term policies to fund the SPIA would cost. See Creating a Life Insurance Ladder
Interestingly, for the joint/100% option compared to joint/67% and joint/50%, the cost of the life insurance would approximate the difference in benefits within +/-$50/month. The cost of insuring for the lost benefits declines over time because the decline in the amounts needed for the SPIA exceed the increase in the unit cost of the insurance as I get older. This pension will replace ~20% of our annual living costs so some minor differences are inconsequential in the whole scheme of things.
One risks is that a 25 year term policy only takes me out to age 85 but I have factored in a provision for life insurance coverage after age 85 at 150% of the cost of 25 year level term.
The more important risk to me is execution risk of having a ladder of 4 or more different term life policies and that DW will actually remember to buy the SPIA to replace the benefits lost, that SPIA pricing could change over time, etc. DW is capable, but generally disinterested in our finances.
My current thinking is that the simplicity of the joint survivor option with full benefits is best since it is simple and the financial benefit of a more complex approach is minimal. Thoughts?