RunningBum
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A DAF has been discussed in a couple places recently, but I thought it deserves it's own thread since it may become more relevant for some of us with the proposed tax changes. If you're like me and will likely start taking the standard deduction, you may have realized you would no longer get a tax break for your charitable contributions. Setting up a DAF this year can help address that by lumping your donations this year, but distributing the grants over time. You can also donate appreciated stock or funds to take a full deduction (subject to 30% of your AGI) while avoiding the taxable gains. Thanks to audreyh1 and JoeWras for making me more aware of how to take advantage of this.
I had heard of a DAF before but it sounded complex to set up, perhaps like a trust, in my uninformed mind. Turns out it doesn't look any harder than opening up a brokerage account, as far as I can see.
As I understand it (and I've started this thread partly to make sure I understand it correctly), Vanguard, Fidelity, TRowePrice and Schwab are good places to open an account (fairly low fees). Then you fund it, ideally with appreciated equities, but you can just transfer in money. You take the full deduction of your donation now. Then you can distribute grants over time. It seems that any 501c3 should qualify, but you may need to set up the charity as a recipient if it has not already been done. Those grant distributions are not tax deductible events because you already took the deduction when you funded your DAF. What you don't distribute is invested per your direction. Investment choices are fairly limited, but look like reasonable index funds many of us invest in anyway. If you donated equities/funds, they are sold and reinvested as directed.
Disadvantages are a 0.6% annual admin fee at VG or Fido, on top of the regular (low) fund fees, but that seems dwarfed by the tax advantage. Also there are minimums in how much you have to contribute/donate to open the account, as well as additional contributions/donations, and minimum amounts on grant distributions. Vanguard has a lot higher minimums that Fido/Schwab.
Other than the fact that you may have to set up your favorite charity in the system of the administrator, bookkeeping is easier because there's no tax reason for you to keep track of your distributions. You only write-off the funding, which could be done just once if you choose. It certainly makes gifting stocks easier on both you and the recipient, because they get cash, not stocks.
You can set up an successor advisor to manage the DAF if you die, or there are other options.
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Donor_advised_fund is a good source of info. I've got more research to do but I'm virtually certain I'll do this with a pretty sizeable contribution, especially since I'm planning to sell a highly-appreciated tax inefficient fund this year to help me qualify for the ACA subsidy in future years. It will also give me more room for Roth conversions this year.
Any other points, clarifications, corrections and such are welcome.
If this looks like a good solution to you, I encourage you to start investigating now to make sure you get the tax break this year, especially if you are looking to transfer equities or funds from one brokerage to a different one where you'll keep your DAF.
I had heard of a DAF before but it sounded complex to set up, perhaps like a trust, in my uninformed mind. Turns out it doesn't look any harder than opening up a brokerage account, as far as I can see.
As I understand it (and I've started this thread partly to make sure I understand it correctly), Vanguard, Fidelity, TRowePrice and Schwab are good places to open an account (fairly low fees). Then you fund it, ideally with appreciated equities, but you can just transfer in money. You take the full deduction of your donation now. Then you can distribute grants over time. It seems that any 501c3 should qualify, but you may need to set up the charity as a recipient if it has not already been done. Those grant distributions are not tax deductible events because you already took the deduction when you funded your DAF. What you don't distribute is invested per your direction. Investment choices are fairly limited, but look like reasonable index funds many of us invest in anyway. If you donated equities/funds, they are sold and reinvested as directed.
Disadvantages are a 0.6% annual admin fee at VG or Fido, on top of the regular (low) fund fees, but that seems dwarfed by the tax advantage. Also there are minimums in how much you have to contribute/donate to open the account, as well as additional contributions/donations, and minimum amounts on grant distributions. Vanguard has a lot higher minimums that Fido/Schwab.
Other than the fact that you may have to set up your favorite charity in the system of the administrator, bookkeeping is easier because there's no tax reason for you to keep track of your distributions. You only write-off the funding, which could be done just once if you choose. It certainly makes gifting stocks easier on both you and the recipient, because they get cash, not stocks.
You can set up an successor advisor to manage the DAF if you die, or there are other options.
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Donor_advised_fund is a good source of info. I've got more research to do but I'm virtually certain I'll do this with a pretty sizeable contribution, especially since I'm planning to sell a highly-appreciated tax inefficient fund this year to help me qualify for the ACA subsidy in future years. It will also give me more room for Roth conversions this year.
Any other points, clarifications, corrections and such are welcome.
If this looks like a good solution to you, I encourage you to start investigating now to make sure you get the tax break this year, especially if you are looking to transfer equities or funds from one brokerage to a different one where you'll keep your DAF.